Shrines and Heretics


Released in 2008 as a part of the Count, King and Consorts collection.
  • Placement
  • The rules say that you may not place a shrine in such a way that it neighbours several cloisters, and vice versa. But can I place a shrine in such a way that it forces a cloister neighbour several shrines? What effect does that have?
    It leads to enormous problems when multiple cloisters and shrines neighbour each other.
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  • Do the rules that restrict the placement of cloisters next to already placed shrines also restrict the placement of abbeys?
    Yes.
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  • Declaring a challenge
  • Can a shrine challenge an abbey, and vice versa?
    Yes, because the abbey is also a cloister.
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  • Imagine I have an unoccupied cloister next to an occupied shrine. I place a tile with a magic portal which completes both buildings, and choose to use the magic portal to deploy a monk to the cloister. Does this declare a challenge, if so, and who wins?
    Then it’s a challenge which ends in a draw.
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  • Similar question: Imagine I have an unoccupied cloister next to an occupied shrine. I place a tile which completes both buildings, and choose to move a follower into the cloister from the City of Carcassonne. Does this declare a challenge, and if so, who wins?
    That’s not possible, since the unoccupied cloister is not scored (only occupied features are scored, while unoccupied ones are simply completed). So no follower can be moved there.
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  • Scoring
  • Does it ever make a difference if I have a big meeple in a cloister or the shrine?
    It can make a difference in combination with The Count…, but he never leads to more points, or anything like that.
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  • What if the tile placed completes both the shrine and the cloister—who scores?
    Then no-one completed the building first, and both receive the points.
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  • Can I move followers from the city of Carcassonne (from the cathedral?) into a shrine during scoring?
    Yes, shrines and cloisters are treated in the same way.
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  • Say I have a heretic engaged in a challenge with a monk, and I place the tile which completes the monk's cloister, so that the monk scores 9 points and I score 0. Can I still move a follower to CC in this case?
    Yes, triggered scoring, received no points: conditions fulfilled.
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  • When a challenge is resolved, both the monk and heretic are removed from play. What if that leaves one of the buildings incomplete? Can I reoccupy it using a magic portal or a follower from the City of Carcassonne?
    Gnnnn… (damn!)

    Yes, that’s allowed (if unforeseen).
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  • Fairy
  • If the fairy is on the same tile as the losing heretic or monk in a challenge, does the player still score the bonus 3 points?
    When a challenge is resolved (that is, when someone has won), both followers are returned to the player, so no-one is stood next to the fairy.
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  • Escape
  • Can a knight in a besieged city from the Cathars escape via a shrine, or only via a cloister?
    The shrines are, for the most part, identical to cloisters. That goes for escape as well.
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