Transcript of May 19, 2009 Second Life Roundtable Discussion.
Topic: Administering Your Second Life
Photos Courtesy of Olivia Hotshot (visit her blog and Flickr photostream). I tossed in a couple of mine, too. See the Flickr group noted below.
Points worth noting:
Links Mentioned/Of Use:
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.
AJ Brooks: These meetings are made possible by our new benefactor, the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University.
AJ Brooks: We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour. Our topic today is Administering Your Second Life.
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep a transcript of what is said in local chat.
AJ Brooks: For a copy of older transcripts, please visit http://sler-transcripts.wikispaces.com and for more recent transcripts, please visit http://homepage.mac.com/jessid/slroundtable/
AJ Brooks: Special thanks to our resident scribe, Iggy Onomatopoeia, for taking care of this. If you've not seen the transcripts, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.
AJ Brooks: For information on FUTURE MEETINGS, there is a notecard giver on the West wall of the Amphitheater.
AJ Brooks: We recently changed some of the meetings so make sure you check the schedule.
AJ Brooks: The SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week, but we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
AJ Brooks: Please join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group. If you have problems finding it in search, just outside this amphitheater you will see several displays. By clicking the appropriate one you can join the group.
AJ Brooks: As the group grows, there will be announcements, surveys, and decisions made that will be exclusive to the group.
AJ Brooks: Aside from the island we are currently on, Monclair State University also has two other educational islands adjoining to the north.
AJ Brooks: There are also numerous learning areas on these adjoining islands, Montclair State CHSS and Montclair State CEHSADP, which is home to The Theorist Project and Wilber Middle School Library. Wander around and enjoy.
AJ Brooks: Be sure to circle June 2nd on your calendar. My special guest for that First of the Month meeting will be Harry Pence (SL: John2 Kepler)
AJ Brooks: Harry and I will be talking on the theme "Our Engaged is Not Their Engaged: The Myth of Undivided Attention".
AJ Brooks: Thats in two week, but next week is also a very important meeting. Next week we will be talking about ideas for presenters and topics for upcoming meetings.
Profesora Farigoule: very much looking forward to that one
AJ Brooks: On June 1st, in this Amphitheater, the EDUCAUSE Virtual Worlds Constituent Group will hold a simulcast meeting.
AJ Brooks: The EDUCAUSE Southeasst Regional Conference is being held in Atlanta and we will have a simulcast meeting here at 8:45am.
AJ Brooks: If you are on Facebook, please join our group there - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44078263753&ref=share
AJ Brooks: Thanks to Olivia Hotshot for putting together a Flickr group for the SLER. I encourage everyone to join the group and to take pictures from our meeting and add them to the group. Its a great way to show, and grow, our community.
AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
AJ Brooks: As a hint, it is better to have "local chat" open for these meetings, it will help you follow the conversation better.
AJ Brooks: You can find local chat by clicking COMMUNICATE in the bottom navigation bar and you'll find LOCAL CHAT as one of the tabs at the bottom of the Communicate window.
AJ Brooks: Why don't we get started they way we usually do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, go ahead and type who you are, where you are, and your ties to education into local chat.
AJ Brooks: I am AJ Kelton, Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, University of Richmond's Writing Center and Writing Across the Curriculum Director. I've taught 3 classes in writing or lit with SL.
Grinn Pidgeon: Barbara Pittman, Cuyahoga Community College, Cleveland, Ohio
Profdan Netizen: Dan Holt, Professor at Lansing Community College in Lansing Michigan, teaching fy composition and creative writing, have taught online for 12 years, scheduled to do a comp class in SL first time this fall.
Talus Nemeth: RL: Jason Shipley - Chicago based designer/developer focusing on immersive education and digital cultures through the Interactive Arts and Media Department @ Columbia College.
hobbs Constantine: Heather Dodds, Science Program Community Facilitator, Western Governors University, remote faculty located in NY
Katie Fenstalker: Katie King, Women's Studies, University of Maryland.
AJ Brooks: and the Coordinator of the Second Life Project for the College of Education and Human Services, also at MSU. We're located in northern New Jersey, just fourteen miles from midtown Manhattan.
Bluewave Ogee: Leslie Jarmon, University of Texas at Austin
Vic Michalak: Phil Youngblood, head of CIS department at U of the Incarnate Word in San Antonio Texas
Margaret Michalski: Margaret Czart, Research information specialist at the University of Illinois at Chicago
Marcia Kjeller: marcia, IT spec, auburn university, alabama
Profesora Farigoule: LC Weaverling - Architectural Engineering Technology, Delaware Technical & Community College, Newark Delaware USA - just concluded first class using SL
JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm JC (Jeff Le Blanc) from the University of Northwestern Ohio. I'm the VP for IT there.
Eliasdehart Sixpence: Casey Ashe, Tulsa Community College
Philled Graves: Rick Shaw, Director of College Technical Services, Ventura College
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel, CSU Chico, Tech Consultant & Educator
Firery Broome: University of Delaware -IT - Faculty Support - UD Island shepherdess
Teri Boxen: teri boxen grad students San Jose State University
Kali Pizzaro: Nurse Lecturer in Scottish University, teaching MSc and BSc level
Alan Sandalwood: Alan Haywood (RL) Developing projects to improve language learning using IT
Zazu Booker: Cyd Skinner - Northampton CC PA
Teachergirl Razor: Carole Farber Faculty of Information and Media Studies, the University of Western Ontario London Canada
Geoff Lumley: Geoff Barker-Read, Head of Academic Quality and Standards, University of Leeds, UK
Viv Trafalgar: Educator, builder & scripter At Large
will Xenno: will Universidade de Brasilia Brasil - Historia
Bluesky Larkham: Karen "Tim" Johnson from University of Worcester, West Midlands, England
Pathogen Monacular: Patrick King from the University of Calgary, bioinformatics student, working on an education project for iGEM
Hattie Haystack: Clinical Nursing Instructor, University of Wisconsin Eau Claire
Universal Translator: will Xenno(pt>>en): "will University of Brasilia Brazil - History"
Topher Zwiers: Chris Duke, San Jacinto College (SanJacEdu), Director Training & Technology Development. am our Second Life Project Manager.
meghana Engineer: Wright State university, interest in building dedicated areas for students with disabilities at WSU daytonohio
sammy Chieng: sammy chieng, university of illinois at chicago
Fred Brecher: Fred Hagemeister, Center for Teaching, Learning, and Technology, University of Richmond
Aragorn Blogger: Ganesh Alakke, Systems Programmer, Wright State University
AJ Brooks: UnB? legal, tudo bem! :-)
George Linden: George Scobie/Linden, educational development and outreach at Linden Lab - check my Profile Picks for office hours :D love to learn more about your initiatives.
Birdie Newcomb: Birdie Newborn, Santa Barbara, at large (and dangerous)
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-
Skills in Second Life. I am working on an Immersive Interactive Educational build about Life-skills.
Viv Trafalgar high-fives Birdie
AJ Brooks: anyone else?
AJ Brooks: don't be shy. :-)
AJ Brooks: going once
AJ Brooks: twice
AJ Brooks: sold to the Furry in the dog catcher suit. :-)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia waves at Fred
AJ Brooks: so - today we are going to revisit the administering your second life theme
AJ Brooks: today we will focus more on thoughts and ideas about how to deal with administering different parts of second life
Fred Brecher: Hey Iggy.
AJ Brooks: we have no guest(s) today
AJ Brooks: what I'd like to do first is
AJ Brooks: by saying YES or NO - please indicated if you currently or have ever been responsible for an entire sim
AJ Brooks: Yes
Viv Trafalgar: Yes
Grinn Pidgeon: yes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: No
Zotarah Shepherd: no
Geoff Lumley: Yes
Bluewave Ogee: yes
Talus Nemeth: yes
Birdie Newcomb: yes
Kali Pizzaro: no
Firery Broome: yes
Marcia Kjeller: yes
Hattie Haystack: no
JeanClaude Vollmar: Yes
Eliasdehart Sixpence: no
George Linden: Yes X)
Margaret Michalski: no
Alan Sandalwood: No
sammy Chieng: no
Teachergirl Razor: no
Philled Graves: Yes x 5
DrSusan Jenipe: No
Aragorn Blogger: no
Topher Zwiers: yes
Bluesky Larkham: Yes
Pathogen Monacular: no
meghana Engineer: not yet
will Xenno: não
Dusty Artaud: NO
Profdan Netizen: no
Vic Michalak: yes
Profesora Farigoule: no
Fred Brecher: no
Zazu Booker: no
Olivia Hotshot: no
Universal Translator: will Xenno(pt>>en): "no"
AJ Brooks: ok - so 14 out of about 40
Katie Fenstalker: no
AJ Brooks: thats good
Teri Boxen: no
AJ Brooks: now
AJ Brooks: say YES or NO if you have ever owned and managed your own parcel on a sim
Profesora Farigoule: yes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes
Viv Trafalgar: yes
Grinn Pidgeon: no
Zotarah Shepherd: yes
Teachergirl Razor: yes
Philled Graves: yes
Alan Sandalwood: no
Katie Fenstalker: yes
Geoff Lumley: yes
Talus Nemeth: yes
Margaret Michalski: yes
Eliasdehart Sixpence: yes - a free one
meghana Engineer: no
Bluesky Larkham: no
Aragorn Blogger: no
Zazu Booker: no
DrSusan Jenipe: yes
JeanClaude Vollmar: no, but will
Hattie Haystack: no
Pathogen Monacular: no, but I will be soon...
Dusty Artaud: no
Profdan Netizen: no
Vic Michalak: yes (part of sim)
Bluewave Ogee: yes
Kali Pizzaro: yes
sammy Chieng: no
hobbs Constantine: no
George Linden: yes
Marcia Kjeller: yes
AJ Brooks: ok - so 16 out of 41
AJ Brooks: more or less
Olivia Hotshot: yes
AJ Brooks: 17 out of 41
AJ Brooks: :-)
AJ Brooks: good
AJ Brooks: now - I figured there were several areas we might focus on
AJ Brooks: but I also wanted to let the group determine the direction to some extent
AJ Brooks: When I wrote this up I broke it down into three areas
AJ Brooks: land management
AJ Brooks: group management
AJ Brooks: and parcel management
AJ Brooks: land management and parcel management can be seen as the same, but
JeanClaude Vollmar: Ooh, all hot topics! :-)
Margaret Michalski: how different is land management from parcel management really?
Grinn Pidgeon: parcels and prims
AJ Brooks: they are not - since land can mean an entire sim
AJ Brooks: or terraforming
AJ Brooks: where as parcels - yes, more to do with prims and access
Bluewave Ogee: Let's do land management - and drill down to parcel level
Grinn Pidgeon: creating a parcel seriously limits the prims allowed if it's small
AJ Brooks: so - this is what I want us to do
Margaret Michalski: sounds good
Zotarah Shepherd: I have done terraforming on parcels
Birdie Newcomb: but managing a sim allows a lot of leeway with the number of prims allowed on some parcels
Profesora Farigoule: me too
AJ Brooks: by saying LAND, GROUP, or PARCEL - let me know which ONE you prefer to talk about first
Philled Graves: I've done several islands, as my alt
[we all chip in our opinions]
AJ Brooks: ok - well, clearly land wins that one
AJ Brooks: :-)
Alan Sandalwood: Step through all...agreed
AJ Brooks: well - we may not have time, so I wanted to make sure we got to the one most people wanted to hear about
AJ Brooks: we'll start with land.
Eliasdehart Sixpence: :)
AJ Brooks: what are the burning questions on land management
AJ Brooks: lets see what comes up and we'll pick one and talk about it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: designing to minimize prim count & lag, for me
AJ Brooks: minimize prim count?
AJ Brooks: see - there are ways to adjust the number of prims each parcel gets
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yep
DrSusan Jenipe: How are the number of prims determined for each parcel
Profesora Farigoule: ahhhhh the universal shackle of SL - the prim
AJ Brooks: well - by default - there is a setting
Margaret Michalski: good one-also a parcel issue
Bluewave Ogee: permissions, managing media, access, streaming media
Philled Graves: mega/huge prims.... avoiding use of ultra high rez textures ... proper alignment of prims to avoid fighting textures?
AJ Brooks: ok - lest focus on prim count for a moment
Marc Rexen: Area, when divided simply, but you can double, leaving halves.
AJ Brooks: there is a default
AJ Brooks: which you can change
Birdie Newcomb: I had problems with squatters in skyboxes -- didn't now they were there for a long time.
Bluesky Larkham: managing media, streaming media yeh that's good
AJ Brooks: but it means certain areas cannot have prims - more like public areas
AJ Brooks: but that gets pretty complicated I usually stick to the default
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I am no master builder, but using one object and selecting textures was a real epiphany.
Marc Rexen: Did you deal with the squatters?
Talus Nemeth: lol
Birdie Newcomb: Yes, finally.
Raloc Dorado: it's 117 prims per 512square meters on standard mainland plots
AJ Brooks: if you check your ABOUT LAND menu and the OBJECTS tab, you can see who has prims on your land
AJ Brooks: PLUS
Katie Fenstalker: how can they squat without your knowing?
Viv Trafalgar: nods @ aj. right.
Marc Rexen: I've just been able to talk them off.
Olivia Hotshot: gotta love the return items feature =)
AJ Brooks: you can turn off the ability of others to rez or create objects on your land
Birdie Newcomb: Tried to get them to contribute, but that didn't work.
Philled Graves: or .223 prims per sq meter
Eliasdehart Sixpence: always have to set access/rez/pushing permissions I assume
Profesora Farigoule: yes Eliasdehart
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hey, when we first got our island, some guy built a house and then SOLD it. We had to evict the owners....we were that dumb and not in SL enough to find out in time!
Eliasdehart Sixpence: "call me Eli, please" :)
Olivia Hotshot: too funny Iggy
Birdie Newcomb: @ Katie -- they're not on ground level, but visible on the map
Viv Trafalgar: and if you're an estate manager, turning off the edit land tools for anyone except estate level is also a good idea.
Viv Trafalgar: for the most part.
AJ Brooks: i had someone build an entire city at about 500 m up
AJ Brooks: they were griefers
AJ Brooks: I tried to contact them to ask them to leave but they ignored me
Profesora Farigoule: grrrrrr
AJ Brooks: so I banned all of them
AJ Brooks: returned all their objects
Viv Trafalgar: sim-bounce.
Kali Pizzaro: haha
Talus Nemeth mutilates griefers
AJ Brooks: and ARed them
Kali Pizzaro: go AJ
Eliasdehart Sixpence: Parts of Montclair State under water don't have rezzing blocked
AJ Brooks: I tried being nice
Olivia Hotshot: actually i don't think of that as griefing
Profesora Farigoule: what does "ARed" mean ?
Pathogen Monacular: is there any way to restrict object rezzing to just objects you approve of?
AJ Brooks: no - that was not the griefing
Olivia Hotshot: i think of it as grifting perhaps
Topher Zwiers: we're just getting started - but we're restricting all building, at the moment, to our admin group. Later on, we'll loosen that, but if we need to, we'll be able to return all prims other than those built by the group.
Margaret Michalski: you do what you have to do
Olivia Hotshot: ahh ok
Zotarah Shepherd: It is so easy to look at the About Land and Objects tab to see if any prims are not yours and return them.
AJ Brooks: they were griefers - a griefer group
Viv Trafalgar: set build perms to group
Raloc Dorado: AR=Abuse Report
Marc Rexen: I don't think so pathogen.
AJ Brooks: they were using out land as a launching base
Birdie Newcomb: A builder helped me install two new levels, which made parcel control much more complex.
Marc Rexen: Just the who and where, but not the thing.
Viv Trafalgar: @ pathogen - set build perms to group only.
AJ Brooks: its better to turn off the ability for anyone to rez or create objects in your parcel
AJ Brooks: either you - or group if you need others to do it
AJ Brooks nods
Gwenette Writer: you can highlight all the prims belonging to one person
Katie Fenstalker: what does it mean to install new levels?
Birdie Newcomb: I think my squatters may have been illegal teens -- they were French, so I couldn't talk with them much.
AJ Brooks: install new levels?
Zotarah Shepherd: I just turned off scripting and have not been bothered since
Olivia Hotshot: As a rule of thumb, it is a very good practice to check your About Land regularly to see what people have dropped around the parcel and return it
Profesora Farigoule: yes - I agree AJ unless they need it - or make two groups - builders group and non-builders
Birdie Newcomb: Use megaprims.
Marc Rexen: Do make a land group at the start and wear the group when building.
Talus Nemeth: there are complicated and lag producing scripts that can allow for very minute filtering of activities and access, but they are not necessarily worth their weight...
Profesora Farigoule: gotta lUV the megaprims
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: turning off scripts on my land, except for those in my group, keeps out the griefers and shaggers
Topher Zwiers: @Marc that's what we're doing
AJ Brooks: shhhhhh on the megaprims
AJ Brooks: they are illegal
Viv Trafalgar: megas have their own issues
Philled Graves: they are?
AJ Brooks: and there are lindens around
AJ Brooks: :-)
Margaret Michalski: I found putting visitor script in some objects useful
Philled Graves: mega prims are illegal?
Kali Pizzaro: only folk in our group can build and someone cleans up
Profesora Farigoule: oh
Philled Graves: can we get a ruling on that George?
Raloc Dorado: I leave build on at my land, I can always return thing that people leave or build
Zotarah Shepherd: Some megas are unstable but not all.
Birdie Newcomb: I think it's illegal to make more, but there are lots available.
AJ Brooks: yes - mega prims, the last I knew, were not "sanctioned"
Gwenette Writer: turn off scripts and visitors with legit scripts cannot use say bling or mysti or radar
Katie Fenstalker: what are visitor scripts?
Marc Rexen: ...just don't edit your mega-prims...hey quickly become non-mega...:)
AJ Brooks: from what I understand, they won't hunt them down, but will return them if they find them
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I think existing megaprims can continue to exist. But you cannot sell or make more.
George Linden: X) Megaprims aren't supported by LL - which means basically, if you have issues involving them, we can't provide help involving them,
Birdie Newcomb: \You can't resize them, but you can do everything else.
Viv Trafalgar: @ iggy. correct
Olivia Hotshot: I agree with Iggy - that is the ruling I have heard
Philled Graves: i can live with that!
Gwenette Writer: megas are not "supported" by LL and may be removed if they choose to do so from all of sl
George Linden: I believe there was a blog post a while back called 'the megaprim issue' or something along those lines which goes into greater detail
Margaret Michalski: @ Katie, there is a script that allows you to check who visited your land
Raloc Dorado: Katie visitor scripts are any scripts that you 'wear' as part of a tool or object
Gwenette Writer: but i find them willing to talk to me about the use of megas
George Linden: I'm not the best authority, but that's the bullet point you're probably looking for.
Katie Fenstalker: ty Raloc
AJ Brooks: visitors scripts are not worn
AJ Brooks: they are placed in a stationary object
Marc Rexen: Play with the 24-bit tga's at the start, along with levels, because it's very hard to change later.
AJ Brooks: and count who has come within a certain area radius of that object
Katie Fenstalker: ty AJ
Profesora Farigoule: visitor scripts are readily available free
Birdie Newcomb: Yes, I've used "radar" --- but they have a limited range
AJ Brooks: many scripts are free
AJ Brooks: i have a lot of scripts, I can could to someone if they wanted
Eliasdehart Sixpence: I missed it, do visitor scripts tell you who has been on the land?
AJ Brooks: also - the LL knowledge base is awesome for that sort of stuff
Eliasdehart Sixpence: or is that something else?
Margaret Michalski: yes
Kali Pizzaro: yes i have built and scripted using free scripts with no training
Eliasdehart Sixpence: 'k
Bluewave Ogee: AJ - make a "gift box" w/your scripts that folks can click and get :-)
Olivia Hotshot: that's it
AJ Brooks: visitor scripts tell you who has been within a certain meter radius of the object they are in
Viv Trafalgar: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LSL_Library
Eliasdehart Sixpence: ty
Profesora Farigoule: useful especially if you enable chat archives
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LL wiki on megaprims: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mega_Prim
Raloc Dorado: so AJ you mean a script that monitors visitors rather than one that comes in as a visitor?
Margaret Michalski: it is not ideal but it helps
AJ Brooks: not monitors - per se
AJ Brooks: if I put a visitor script in this table
Gwenette Writer: visitor scripts that work based on collision rather than scanning every X secs or mins use less sim resource, but ava has to come in contact with scripted item
AJ Brooks: and set it for 10 m
Raloc Dorado: ok a log of visitors
Olivia Hotshot: honestly, if you have a very busy area, you might want to ask yourself what data you want to collect and why and then what you will do with it before going through the trouble.
AJ Brooks: it would tell me the names of anyone who comes within 10m of the table
Gwenette Writer: say make it a large phantom sphere in your entry
AJ Brooks: yes
AJ Brooks: there are many other types of scripts
AJ Brooks: ones that will give an object when touched
AJ Brooks: like a notecard or landmark
AJ Brooks: stores usually use these when you enter them
Viv Trafalgar: some of those can be really annoying.
AJ Brooks: agreed
Gwenette Writer: Olivia I agree i find it offensive when i am automatically put in Hippo groups as soon as I visit a place very irritating lots of IM AND chat spam
Kali Pizzaro: yeah always welcome hehe
George Linden: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2007/10/12/the-big-prim-problem
George Linden: (Looks like someone was quicker than me - haha, sorry!)
AJ Brooks: TY George
Eliasdehart Sixpence: what is this about hippos?
Olivia Hotshot: @Gwen - agree!
Gwenette Writer: scripts that store names of avas they have already given items to are handy . .
Topher Zwiers: does anyone use a sim-wide monitoring tool? collect overall usage information for the entire sim?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @ George--that's a newer post than the one I posted..thanks
Profesora Farigoule: hippo group - one that operates outside of LL groups
Gwenette Writer: been real folks have to go . . Keep creating:) and thanks George and AJ:)
Bluewave Ogee: Topher -great question!
Birdie Newcomb: there's also a tool to show sim lag, I forget the name
Viv Trafalgar: bye Gwenette
Katie Fenstalker: you can have non LL groups?
Birdie Newcomb: name
Margaret Michalski: There is that traffic info under your land but never figured it out
AJ Brooks: is that possible? not free
Olivia Hotshot: they are nice because they don't eat up the minimal Linden groups - but there are some that are intrusive and deploy with a simple object touch
AJ Brooks: they are not groups, per se, katie
Viv Trafalgar: you can see sim lag with View> statistics bar
AJ Brooks: they act more like listserves
Katie Fenstalker: ah.
Marc Rexen: They have to reside on your land for a minute...and then a bunch of qualifier rules apply as to whether they get counted as traffic.
Eliasdehart Sixpence: I get messages in local chat from The Learning Experience w/o being part of any group
AJ Brooks: Topher, there are services that do that - I don't think there are any tools, certainly not free I imagine
Margaret Michalski: Aj, how does the traffic option work
Olivia Hotshot: George - do the Lindens have any plans to create a new traffic algorythm in the future?
AJ Brooks: Margaret, badly
Marc Rexen: Traffic is important for search rankings...so it's deeply abused.
Profesora Farigoule: TLE - Eli - yes that is a hippo group
Topher Zwiers: @AJ I've seen a few - mostly a fee involved - wondering if others use any of them.
Margaret Michalski: thanks
AJ Brooks: I've not paid - so no help there
Eliasdehart Sixpence: Thanks Profesora
Topher Zwiers: a way of evaluating the Second Life project.
AJ Brooks: but I know someone who does, tells you where the hot spots are on your sim, etc...
Topher Zwiers: for the institution.
Olivia Hotshot: Topher - we use the Hippos on our parcel - but it is not something given unless a person asks for it
Topher Zwiers: @AJ right.
Marc Rexen: The Bots rules were mostly because they were affecting traffic rankings (and ruining sims for others).
AJ Brooks: If you are willing to pay, lets chat off meeting and I'll get you the name
George Linden: Olivia, that one's a little out of my range - you might want to stop by the office hours of Lindens who work on new user experience or maybe the regAPI..
Topher Zwiers: @AJ Fleep presented on one a while back.
Topher Zwiers: @AJ sounds good.
AJ Brooks nods
AJ Brooks: Maya I think
George Linden: Sorry, not new user experience ㋡ search*
Olivia Hotshot: @George - ty
AJ Brooks: ok - so - lets see if we can get back to a land management based question
AJ Brooks: lets hear from someone new to a parcel or sim ownership
George Linden: Nor the regAPI; I misread you at first.
AJ Brooks: with the experience here, we can probably get a few questions out of the way fast
AJ Brooks: so - new folks - lets have your questions on land or parcel management
Olivia Hotshot: AJ, might want to discuss subdivision as well
Margaret Michalski: I manage a parcel, I first put in the necessary items and worked my way down to the least important.
Viv Trafalgar: George is there a plan for an API for developers who create learning games and other types of interactive activities?
Marc Rexen: Torley's videos are quite good btw...can really ease the pain for someone doing it for the first time.
Katie Fenstalker: talk about what size groups should be to be able to build on a small parcel.
Margaret Michalski: I wanted to avoid not having enough prims for the important stuff
AJ Brooks: i don't understand the questions, katie
Topher Zwiers: @AJ I fall into the category... Anyone use a group for guests? i.e. NMC does or used to do that. Guest Group membership required to access space.
Alan Sandalwood: Yes groups on small parcels.
George Linden: Viv, I am not too sure about API developments, I am a little outside the technology guru Linden bubble to be honest ㋡
Katie Fenstalker: not sure what is too many people to give parcel build rights to.
AJ Brooks: anyone want to address Topher's question
Viv Trafalgar: ah ok - thanks George :)
AJ Brooks: too many people - hmmm - not sure there is a set number
Olivia Hotshot: We use a group for the sub division to allow faculty to make a home or open boxes etc - a small space that has broader privileges
AJ Brooks: it depends on your group and the active number of people
Philled Graves: i've used group membership to limit access to parcels, is that your question Topher?
Profesora Farigoule: no Topher - did not want to restrict access for visitors
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I use a group to restrict who can rez, etc. but it's a sandbox I made for my group, not really an edu space.
AJ Brooks: I think prims will really be the most restrictive thing in that regard
Margaret Michalski: Katie, I limit the number of people who have access to putting stuff on my parcel
Marc Rexen: A 1/16 of a SIM , 4096 m^2, nets around 950 or so...you can do quite a lot with that.
AJ Brooks: the free land parcels here on CHSSSouth are 1024 I think with 234 prims
Margaret Michalski: your right
Alan Sandalwood: How does the number of avatars affect lag on small parcels, I'm thinking of 512 or 1024?
AJ Brooks: not bad - from memory - LOL
Marc Rexen: ...meaning one edits their hair while still on their head...:)
AJ Brooks: avatars impact sim performance
Eliasdehart Sixpence: I have asked this of AJ before, but a parcel is all the way up and down (to the sky and under water)?
AJ Brooks: not parcel performance, I don't believe - at least not directly
Topher Zwiers: Thanks @Olivia, @Philled, @Prof, @Iggy
Marc Rexen: Lag seems to be closeness and not dependent on borders.
AJ Brooks: yes - x/y/z access
Alan Sandalwood: Ok, where can I find this info, I wish to have classes of up to 15 people
Marcia Kjeller: can you set a limit to the number of avies allowed at any one time?
Marc Rexen: It's what you can see and what it takes to render it.
Raloc Dorado: Katie, you're going to run into the limit of how many people can be on the land at one time first, there's no reason why everyone who's there can't all have build permission
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We've never had more than four hillbillies present at one time, but it seems that the neighbors' build slows us down
AJ Brooks: Marcia - that can be done sim wide, not parcel wide
AJ Brooks: unless you know the peoples' names
AJ Brooks: and then you can do it with access control
Marc Rexen: You can, the default is 40, but for a full-prim sim, 65 is usually ok for a presentation event (and I've seen 97).
AJ Brooks: @Raloc, agreed
Katie Fenstalker: for example, does this expanding seminar table take up more prims as it expands?
Viv Trafalgar: Do you have estate privs that let you see what the high-draw scripts are Iggy?
AJ Brooks: this island is set to 90
AJ Brooks: @katie - no
Marc Rexen: Has to, yes the table takes more as it it expands.
AJ Brooks: @marc - no
AJ Brooks: a 1x1 box is 1 prim just like a 10x10 box is one prim
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that's why it's the magic table :)
Marc Rexen: I'm watching the prims go up.
Katie Fenstalker: fancy that!
AJ Brooks: it would only be more prims if objects were added to it
Talus Nemeth: each chair adds a prim, though
AJ Brooks: yes
Margaret Michalski: 2 piece object 2 prims etc.
AJ Brooks: the chairs add prims
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: off topic almost, but I wondered by vehicles can only have 31 prims
AJ Brooks: but they are rezzers
Topher Zwiers: For those that manage a sim which has parcels allocated to others (faculty, classes)... How do you assign privileges to the parcel - particularly to allow users to control media stream to parcel? Deed the land to a group/individual?
AJ Brooks: so they will go away
Katie Fenstalker: ok
AJ Brooks: the number you see going up is from the chairs
AJ Brooks: not the table itself
Marc Rexen: Excellent question on the scripts. I've watched Anshe's Angles find "bad scripts," and didn't know how they did it or what they were looking at.
AJ Brooks: Chris - I sell the parcel to them
Talus Nemeth: i just wanted to make the point because even tem-rezzed objects add to the real prim count for those who don't know
AJ Brooks: but turn off resell in estate
Talus Nemeth: *temp
AJ Brooks: @talus is right
Katie Fenstalker: important as you get close to limit.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you can get devices to warn you when, say, a renter exceeds the prim-limit for a parcel
Topher Zwiers: @AJ you can recall the land if needed, correct?
AJ Brooks: @topher - I turn on resell long enough for others to deed to group if they want
Talus Nemeth: so every sim needs a slush fund of available prims for temp objects
AJ Brooks: @topher - yes
AJ Brooks: reclaim
AJ Brooks: anytime
AJ Brooks: well - slush fund - lol - you just need to make sure you don't use every prim
AJ Brooks: or the temp rezezzer won't work
Topher Zwiers: @AJ would it be better to create and configure the group for them and deed it to the group directly?
Olivia Hotshot: @Anyone - is there resource out there - currently- Best practices for Land Administration in SL?
AJ Brooks: debatable
Talus Nemeth: hard to do with nutty students building the next killer hoverbike
Profesora Farigoule: @ Topher : the land I got to use - the owner actually "sold" it to me
AJ Brooks: JC wants to start a wiki, Olivia
Profesora Farigoule: so I was the "owner" of that piece
Olivia Hotshot: JC?
AJ Brooks: JeanClaude
AJ Brooks: he and I talked about this last week
Olivia Hotshot: Sartes?
AJ Brooks: LOL
Olivia Hotshot: heh
JeanClaude Vollmar: Yes, I'm [going to] start a BP wiki
AJ Brooks: JeanClaude, not Jean Paul
Olivia Hotshot: sorry had to say it
Olivia Hotshot: my apologies =)
Talus Nemeth: we're all trapped in the sim for eternity...
AJ Brooks: so if there are people here who are interested in helping out with a wiki on this subjct - please IM JeanClaude Vollmar
JeanClaude Vollmar: I've have wanted answers like that, why do this over that...
AJ Brooks: :-) sorry JC
Olivia Hotshot: hahaha
JeanClaude Vollmar: np
AJ Brooks: @Olivia - Hell is other people
JeanClaude Vollmar: http://sladministrationbp.wikispaces.com/
Talus Nemeth: ha
JeanClaude Vollmar: It's a starter for those kinds of tips.
AJ Brooks: that is from No Way Out if anyone wants to know
Olivia Hotshot: TY JeanClaude
Birdie Newcomb: I've sold to a few people who had special needs or concerns, but rented to most
AJ Brooks: we sell here since we don't exchange any money
Talus Nemeth: i thought soylent green was people...
Topher Zwiers: thanks @AJ @Olivia @Prof
Olivia Hotshot nods to AJ
AJ Brooks: Anyone have questions about GROUP management?
AJ Brooks: we've covered land and parcel a bit
Pathogen Monacular: besides build privilege, land privilege, what else is there? I'm going to be managing my PIs new sim for a while, need to make sure I get the permissions I need next meeting
AJ Brooks: groups are really really important
George Linden: (While on the topic of best practices for land administration in SL - I've gotta plug the Land Expo. ㋡ https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/land/blog/2009/05/15/land-expo-2009 Educators in SL tend to have the innovation down and best practices for land management very well understood, if you have the bandwidth for it, I urge you to share your best practices/innovation at the event :D )
Pathogen Monacular: and assigning these to other students, etc
AJ Brooks: access privs
Margaret Michalski: am I wrong or do you have to pay for groups
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: We had to deed a parcel to me that was assigned to my group....so I can return or delete group items. Is there any way around that?
AJ Brooks: a group cost 100linden to start
Olivia Hotshot: I think teaching Faculty how to build groups and manage them is high up there so they know how to communicate to students in a class
Margaret Michalski: thanks
Birdie Newcomb: @Margaret -- you can set a group to be pay, or not.
JeanClaude Vollmar: That's one of my current struggles, how many, how to use them, class specific, instructor specific and others.
Topher Zwiers: @AJ No Way Out? (Costner?)
Birdie Newcomb: A group is a great way to communicate.
AJ Brooks: Sartre
AJ Brooks: the book - not the movie
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: And it's perfect for assigning roles on a parcel or sim
Katie Fenstalker: can you just create a group that students come in and out of?
AJ Brooks: @iggy - yes
AJ Brooks: yes - I do that all the time
AJ Brooks: we make sure to name our groups for classes somewhat generically
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Katie--yes
AJ Brooks: for the faculty member instead of the class itself
Margaret Michalski: I don't know how many would be willing to pay if it is a small grou
AJ Brooks: so that faculty members can reuse groups and not have to buy more
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: that way they can build only on the group's land and not on the rest of the sim
Kali Pizzaro: ah good idea @ AJ
AJ Brooks: at the end of the semester - we eject the students
Birdie Newcomb: pay group s are generally private.
AJ Brooks: you mean pay for membership or pay to start the group
Birdie Newcomb: for membership
Margaret Michalski: pay to start
Profesora Farigoule: @ AJ - I plan to reuse my group - we put one other faculty member in it so I won't lose it
AJ Brooks: you ALWAYS have to pay to create a group
Viv Trafalgar: the problem for the instructors tends to be the 25 group limit
Raloc Dorado: Margaret, the charge is only to set up the group, you don't have to charge to join the group unless you want to
Katie Fenstalker: 2 people needed to start a grp, right?
Philled Graves: i'm planning to buy the groups for faculty members... one or two each for them to facilitate individual classes
AJ Brooks: 2 people always need to be in a group
Olivia Hotshot: @Viv - now you see the reason for Hippo Groups
Margaret Michalski: if you would only have 2 people it is just as easy to IM
Birdie Newcomb: Tell me more about Hippo
AJ Brooks: or subscrib-o-matic
Kali Pizzaro: 25 that may be problematic
Vic Michalak: We have a "student" group with various roles, including "colleagues" as instructors who have more privileges + a separate builders group -- I have seen this done in several places...
Olivia Hotshot: yes AJ
Margaret Michalski: that is what I was referring too in this case
Profesora Farigoule: @Vic - yes I have too
Viv Trafalgar: @Olivia - I use Hippo groups already. There are some improvements to groups, using Roles for example that are important for land management
Viv Trafalgar: and group chat management as well.
AJ Brooks: each role can have a wide variety of abilities
Olivia Hotshot: yes - but i meant to get around the 25 rule
Viv Trafalgar: but the Lindens have some say over how powerful groups can and cannot be.
Katie Fenstalker: roles are set by group manager?
AJ Brooks: and when you deed a parcel to a group - the abilities extent to the parcel
Oronoque Westland: need to be sure to have some redundancy in assigning roles...I am in a very active group and it turned out that there was only one member who could make changes to roles and he had to go on leave so was not around to make adjustments
AJ Brooks: sometimes, Katie
JeanClaude Vollmar: Is a Hippo group just a scripted object of some sort? A freebie perhaps? Not sure what they are.
AJ Brooks: @katie - thats up to the group owner
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Vic...Richmond took the same approach. We have a builder's group w/ privs to rez anywhere, and another for all students that we use for announcements.
AJ Brooks: it is really easy to delegate in groups
Birdie Newcomb: It's possible to assign others with owner privileges.
Profesora Farigoule: @oronoque - good point - plan for people backup
Olivia Hotshot: @Iggy good idea
Birdie Newcomb: I did that with a festival, --to have "rangers' who could eject grifers, etc.
AJ Brooks: @JC - you should comb through this chat transcript for th wiki
AJ Brooks: yes - if you have public land, you need security
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @JeanClaude...I think of Hippo as a maker of vendors...they must have some with auto-joiners for groups
Olivia Hotshot: Maybe we need a Best Practices for Group Formation and Management
AJ Brooks: someone other than the event runner to take care of ejection
Marc Rexen: Or for adding griefers to a ban list at events.
AJ Brooks: at least until you are good at both
Kali Pizzaro: @George is there a way LL could change individuals right to make bigger groups. ie educators
Viv Trafalgar: @ right Iggy - they're offworld databases of group members
JeanClaude Vollmar: @AJ, thanks! must have missed that reference
Philled Graves: be careful who you share owners right too!
Birdie Newcomb: Is that the same Hippo that sells a rental system? I've used that
AJ Brooks: YES - you can not eject an owner
Olivia Hotshot: The number of members is not the problem, the number you can belong to is the issue
AJ Brooks: only they can leave the group on their own
George Linden: Kali, there's a limit on group size, or do you mean number of groups? ㋡
AJ Brooks: @birdie - yes
Viv Trafalgar: @ Olivia - that's my point
Profesora Farigoule: ergo- also be careful of who you "sell" parcels too then :)
Olivia Hotshot is losing track of the conversation
Olivia Hotshot: sorry Vic
AJ Brooks: no - parcels can be sold to anyone - you can always reclaim the land
Birdie Newcomb: I have a question. How do I abolish a group?
AJ Brooks: I can reclaim any parcel any time
AJ Brooks: as the owner of the sim
Alan Sandalwood: AJ, everybody thank you and goodnight. See you next week.
Kali Pizzaro: @ George no limit group size. ie class may be 24 with 2 lecturers
AJ Brooks: ciao, alan, via com dios
Profesora Farigoule: @ Birdie - eject everyone as soon as there is only you...it will be abolished I think
Topher Zwiers: @AJ event management is a whole separate topic. I would enjoy a session focused on what how you prepare for these meetings - prepared notes for copy/paste, av limits, voice issues etc.
Alan Sandalwood: ATé logo AJ, will
AJ Brooks: come by next week and suggest that
Kali Pizzaro: Topher good call
Marc Rexen: John2 knows events quite well.
AJ Brooks: yes - although we will not be talking about events at the 6/2 meeting
AJ Brooks: that promises to be a VERY engaging meeting on the 2nd
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I love using a class group to send out freebies, note cards, and other stuff to every student and mentor: including warnings about our parcel.
Eliasdehart Sixpence: re: existentialism & SL: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1298454/post_american_existentialism_on_becoming.html?cat=9
Topher Zwiers: @AJ engaging by who's definition? <grin>
AJ Brooks: lol
AJ Brooks saps chris
AJ Brooks: *swaps
Kali Pizzaro: our engaged is not their engaged hehe
Profesora Farigoule: I used the class group notices a lot for assignment directions and schedules
Margaret Michalski: I have a question about groups. What is the role difference between officer and owner/
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: good Q, Margaret
Margaret Michalski: both send notices and invites
AJ Brooks: owners can make officers, officers cannot make owners
Vic Michalak: Owner can do anything... Officer can do what you want them to do...
sammy Chieng: good question margaret
Viv Trafalgar: beautifully put AJ
George Linden: Kali - if you can IM me or touch base separately I think I might be confused still but if it's feedback I can bring back to the lab I'd be happy to ㋡
Katie Fenstalker: can you sign people up for groups as they register?
Katie Fenstalker: to enter SL?
AJ Brooks: register? for SL?
Oronoque Westland: every member can send notices if you want to allow them to
AJ Brooks: well - if you have a regapi - yes - like NCM does
Profesora Farigoule: have to send invites - Katie
AJ Brooks: but no, otherwise
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I send the students group invites as soon as they have rezzed...I'm online at the time they do so.
Katie Fenstalker: oh cool Iggy.
Katie Fenstalker: that's what I want to do.
Profesora Farigoule: and important if they are not online - to email them to tell them this is something they *need* to do , and isn't SL junk mail
Profesora Farigoule: newbies don't always get it
Katie Fenstalker: ok.
Profesora Farigoule: it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Katie...I'll tell you more in IM, but use NWC and you can meet them when they appear in SL
AJ Brooks: yes - noobs will be barraged by blue pop downs
AJ Brooks: its important to let them know to expect yours about a group and accept it
AJ Brooks: on the first day, I also make sure everyone is in
Katie Fenstalker: great Iggy, ty.
Birdie Newcomb: @ Profesora -- I've tried that, so with one person, it might disappear. Thanks.
Profesora Farigoule: @AJ - said better ty
AJ Brooks: You can do that with ISTE and Virtual Ability also
AJ Brooks: I've grown VERY partial to Virtual Ability these days
AJ Brooks: it is an experience, not just a set of instructions to learn
AJ Brooks: engaging
Profesora Farigoule: @AJ - is understanding why :)
AJ Brooks: and immersive
Raloc Dorado: I hope you don't mean me AJ:)
AJ Brooks: ? raloc ?
Profesora Farigoule: and BTW - i did a LOT of SHOUTING that first orientation day "ACCEPT THE GROUP"
AJ Brooks: lol
AJ Brooks: LOL - no
AJ Brooks: so - last thoughts? unanswered questions?
AJ Brooks: we tipped the scales at over 40 again today
Marc Rexen: Torley's videos...good stuff.
Margaret Michalski: in general are all edu groups free
AJ Brooks: thats several months running :-)
Philled Graves: edu groups are free?
AJ Brooks: free margaret?
Profesora Farigoule: also want to thank those who came to visit my class' final project site last week, and remind you that we are "open" there until June.
Margaret Michalski: yes
AJ Brooks: free to create or free to join?
Olivia Hotshot: @AJ - perhaps restate the URLs to the wikis
Philled Graves: george can i get a refund?
AJ Brooks: please be specific
Viv Trafalgar: AJ what do you enjoy about being a land manager?
Philled Graves: ;-)
Profesora Farigoule: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Architecture/48/8/22/?title=Cape%20Town%20Housing%20-%20Student%20Design%20Proposal
AJ Brooks: Viv - it feeds my God complex
Margaret Michalski: I have not seen any edu group that had a fee to join
Viv Trafalgar: lol that's not what I meant
Profesora Farigoule: lmao - @AJ
AJ Brooks: :-)
Viv Trafalgar: What you can do with it -
Viv Trafalgar: versus residing
Viv Trafalgar: on someone else's parcel
Viv Trafalgar: (sorry lagging)
Profesora Farigoule: edu groups still cost $L100 to create of course
AJ Brooks: its like comparing apples to squirrels
Viv Trafalgar grins
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: heh--cheap at twice the price...that's what a camping alt is for :)
Profesora Farigoule: mmmm - apples and squirrels - hillbilly stew?
AJ Brooks: land manager means being responsible
Philled Graves: Prof beat me too it!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia phones up Pappy Enoch for his recipe
AJ Brooks: but that also means the satisfaction of knowing you help others
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
Profesora Farigoule: @iggy - give the poor little squirrels a break
AJ Brooks: rodents! kill them all
Teri Boxen: hhehe
Viv Trafalgar: How do you help a school understand that it is an important step forward?
Viv Trafalgar: to own at the estate level?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia hides the squirrel he was saving for Brunswick stew
Profesora Farigoule: @Viv - good point
Eliasdehart Sixpence: land / parcel owner also means you can terraform?
Margaret Michalski: I guess I can not be land manager in terms of responsibility : )
Profesora Farigoule: we are at that stage now
AJ Brooks: sometimes, it is NOT the right decision, to own a sim
Birdie Newcomb: @ Viv -- I found it was cheaper than mainland by a long way
AJ Brooks: sometimes renting parcels is better
Kali Pizzaro: always learning right AJ
AJ Brooks: but it comes down to cost
Profesora Farigoule: it helps to have a small successful teaching experience ...
Viv Trafalgar chuckles - I was trying to be helpful the whole time... just stuck in busybody mode for a bit.
AJ Brooks: righ Birdie
Marc Rexen: Privacy Viv...a private sim is the only way ensure absolute privacy.
Margaret Michalski: @ Aj why?
Raloc Dorado: and you have more control over all aspects of the land Viv
Birdie Newcomb: and neighbors...
Marc Rexen: Shared land is still accessible by flying cameras, and that means voice can be picked up.
AJ Brooks: @marc - right
Profesora Farigoule: agrees w/ AJ - unless you want to commit to labor expense of high quality build...
Viv Trafalgar: Right - I am an estate manager, but talking with universities about buying an island vs renting a beach house
AJ Brooks: Folks - our time is up for this week
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: For the House of Usher project, I fear we'll be taking over the entire sim :)
Viv Trafalgar: is a complex issue
Topher Zwiers: @Viv I made sure they were aware of other area schools/colleges which were *already* participating/involved in SL... Any group of educators will have a competitive administrator or two in the bunch to which the "they're ahead" of us comment will appeal ;-)
AJ Brooks: you are welcome to hang out and continue the conversation
Profesora Farigoule: owning own sim might result in lackluster SL experience for institution
AJ Brooks: those who need to take off - thanks for coming, see you next week
Margaret Michalski: @ Iggy if you need advise let me know
Fred Brecher: Should be fun when the house implodes, Iggy.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @ Margaret we will--me and Fred and Kevin and all the Poe-fanatics :)
Topher Zwiers: @Viv and I found a project that had a wide appeal - something "sexy" that could make a splash and would capture imagination.
Eliasdehart Sixpence: thank you ladies and gents.
Margaret Michalski: Great!
Eliasdehart Sixpence tips his hat goodbye
AJ Brooks: @Profesora, we had no high labor cost
AJ Brooks: I did everything myself
Profesora Farigoule: it is the time i'm thinking of :)
Viv Trafalgar: cool Topher
Philled Graves: g'day Eli
AJ Brooks: almost - the other stuff was donated
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Fred...the students will be trying to kill Madeline so that happens!
Olivia Hotshot: Thank you for the lively conversation Everyone!
AJ Brooks: oh - right - yes
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you AJ
Marc Rexen: Yeah, it's not hard to terraform and build a nice sim.
JeanClaude Vollmar: Yes, thanks to all. Great session.
Profesora Farigoule: if you don't have an AJ on staff ??? who is going to do it?
AJ Brooks: bye everyone
Topher Zwiers: @AJ thanks for another good session.
AJ Brooks: I'll hang out if you want to
Margaret Michalski: Thanks everyone!
AJ Brooks: this WAS a good session
Raloc Dorado: Thanks for being in charge AJ we were all drifting around the topics today
AJ Brooks: lots of good info for folks
Jarrad Voom: thanks everyone
Margaret Michalski: Specially thanks to AJ
Kali Pizzaro: Cheers all have a good week
Hattie Haystack: Thanks everyone...and AJ
AJ Brooks bows
Talus Nemeth: good meeting
AJ Brooks: just doin my job
AJ Brooks: :-)
George Linden: Thanks everyone!! Hope to see you at Thursday's office hour if you can make it
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Veggie chili tonight--no squirrel
Profesora Farigoule: ty George
AJ Brooks: TY for coming George
Bluesky Larkham: bye everyone great meeting
George Linden: Would love to learn more about your education initiatives!!! Profile Picks has the details
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: but I'm going to see Profesora's site first
Profesora Farigoule: cool :)
Zotarah Shepherd: Good to see you George.
George Linden: My pleasure attending, thanks!
Margaret Michalski: @ George, can you give the landmark again
Viv Trafalgar: Thank you so much AJ
Marc Rexen: The little buggers breached our new super-duper squirrel resistant bird-feeder...in 30 minutes.
Profesora Farigoule: I will be going to my site after leaving here fyi- @anyone
George Linden: Margaret - my profile picks has a SLURL linked up to it ㋡
Margaret Michalski: thanks
Fred Brecher: Thanks, AJ for another great meeting.
Olivia Hotshot: Great to see you here George
sammy Chieng: thanks
Margaret Michalski: thanks sammy
AJ Brooks: Oh - Quidditch folks, look for something to the group soon
Profesora Farigoule: :)
Talus Nemeth: woot
Margaret Michalski: I mentioned it to early comers
Talus Nemeth: i gotta work on by bulging muscles
Margaret Michalski: they may contact you
Profesora Farigoule: Quiddich - a reason to master a machinma lol
Zotarah Shepherd: I still haven't seen the Q field
AJ Brooks: we're up to 28 already
AJ Brooks: thats four teams if everyone plays
AJ Brooks: and its not even been 24 hours
Viv Trafalgar: not enough groupspace this morning - I need to wait for a build to close.
Profesora Farigoule: now that is something to put up in video for "selling" lol
Katie Fenstalker: very very helpful!
AJ Brooks: and there is a problem with it coming up in search
Olivia Hotshot i never followed through with Margaret's invite
Kali Pizzaro: I need to be able to fly and play
Talus Nemeth: i'd better make new capes
Profesora Farigoule: is a most inept player :)
Profesora Farigoule: be warned
Kali Pizzaro: i nee to get a cape i missed the second session
Margaret Michalski: can't wait
AJ Brooks: we all are at this point
Hattie Haystack: I'd love to watch Quiddich sometime! Is it open to view?
AJ Brooks: Talus - we need more colors
Margaret Michalski: Ok I have to get going.
AJ Brooks: Hattie - yes
Profesora Farigoule: k margaret
Olivia Hotshot: Margaret id you still want me to play?
Zotarah Shepherd: Please announce when the games are AJ
Margaret Michalski: I will see you next week
Hattie Haystack: ty AJ
AJ Brooks: i will - but only in the group
Margaret Michalski: @ Olivia, yes
Katie Fenstalker: what about capes?
AJ Brooks: the players will have prim capes
Olivia Hotshot: kk Margaret will talk soonish
Margaret Michalski: but I will be out of town June2nd to 16th
Kali Pizzaro: i need practice
JeanClaude Vollmar: I need to get going too. Thanks again AJ for hosting. See you all next week.
AJ Brooks: we will be practicing
Kali Pizzaro: fab
AJ Brooks: later JC
Margaret Michalski: see ya later
Olivia Hotshot: time for me to fly as well - see you all soon!
AJ Brooks: yes - we all need to know what positions we are better at
AJ Brooks: bye guys, thanks for coming
Kali Pizzaro: Cheers Talus
Talus Nemeth: ;)
Margaret Michalski: @ AJ I have a non SLER question for you. Do you prefer email or IM
Profesora Farigoule: i guess I might have to break down and eliminate myself from the miniscule population that has *never* seen a Harry Potter movie
Zotarah Shepherd wonders where the field is.
Viv Trafalgar gave you Telegraph.
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
AJ Brooks: its on the other side of this sim
Kali Pizzaro: prof
AJ Brooks: heading north
Talus Nemeth: join the club, profesora
Philled Graves: q pitch is at the north end of the island
Profesora Farigoule: lol
AJ Brooks: you'll see the 6 viewing stands
Zotarah Shepherd: Ok I will go see it. Thanks
AJ Brooks: and the six goals
Katie Fenstalker: I saw the site but not the game!
Profesora Farigoule: was star hockey player though
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: okies ya'll...off to see Profesora's site. see you all next week!