Transcript of March 24, 2009 Second Life Roundtable Discussion.
Topic: Assessment Issues In SL.
Photos Courtesy of Olivia Hotshot (visit her blog and Flickr photostream). She did such a great job I just have to include a bunch from this event.
Iggy's Notes: Send corrections to iggyo -at- mac -dot- com. Many thanks to Margaret Michalski, who kept the transcript for me!
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AJ Brooks: folks - come on into the amphitheater and grab a seat around the roundtable
Margaret Michalski: Hi Mary!
AJ Brooks shouts: folks - come on into the amphitheater and grab a seat around the roundtable
Max Chatnoir: AJ did you keep the chat log from yesterday's meeting on assessment?
AJ Brooks: Someone did keep the log
AJ Brooks: however much of the meeting was in voice
Max Chatnoir: I had to go to class about halfway through.
AJ Brooks: and we couldn't get a transcriber
AJ Brooks: but someone has it - I think Margaret, right?
Margaret Michalski: I sent the log to Iggy.
AJ Brooks: excellent - he's swamped, so it may take a few days
(Iggy, acting swamped at Armada Breakaway. I'll be back soon I promise! From Iggy's Photostream at Koinup)
AJ Brooks shouts: folks - come on into the amphitheater and grab a seat around the roundtable
Margaret Michalski: If you need it before he posts it I may email it to you.
Margaret Michalski: Hi Olivia!
AJ Brooks: Hey O, how's it going?
Max Chatnoir: Good, I'm glad somebody has it.
Margaret Michalski: Everyone, come to the table!
AJ Brooks: there will always be one more seat than person
AJ Brooks: i love this table
Olivia Hotshot: hello Everyone!
AJ Brooks: we'll be getting started in a few minutes
Olivia Hotshot waves to Margaret
AJ Brooks: 2 - to be exact
AJ Brooks: I 'm keeping my NY resolution to start on time
AJ Brooks: folks up in the amphitheater, come on down and sit around the table
AJ Brooks: there's plenty of room for everyone and you don't need ot talk to sit down here
AJ Brooks: we got room for 40
Margaret Michalski: Considering it is March you are doing great! : )
AJ Brooks: lol - yeah - lets see how it goes over the summer
AJ Brooks: we'll be getting started in about a minutes
Margaret Michalski: Hi Tux!
AJ Brooks shouts: plenty of seats, so please do join us at the roundtable
AJ Brooks: i love the "shout" gesture
AJ Brooks: LOL
AJ Brooks: ok - lets go ahead and get started
Max Chatnoir: I love these tables.
Olivia Hotshot: Tux, you look so dressy today =)
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.
AJ Brooks: These meetings are made possible by the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an
hour. Sometimes we have a topic, sometimes its an open forum.
AJ Brooks: Today's meeting topic is ASSESSING THE USE OF VIRTUAL WORLDS IN EDUCATION
AJ Brooks: Unfortunately Tanya has been held up and won't be able to join us today
AJ Brooks: Before going on to our regular announcements I have an important update to our schedule and "breaking news"
India Cerise: aww
AJ Brooks: On April 28th the SL Education Roundtable will host a very special roundtable. Claudia, John, and Pathfinder Linden will be our special guests for "The Linden Listening Tour: Changes to Adult Content - and EDU Perspective"
AJ Brooks: This will be a unique opportunity to have your voice heard on this topic. We will be capping the sim at 90 avatars, so come early to make sure you get in. This promises to be an......interesting....roundtable. :-)
AJ Brooks: We did need to revise a few dates on the schedule, please check the future events notecard giver or Facebook for details.
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep a transcript of what is said in local chat. For a copy of older transcripts, please visit http://sler-transcripts.wikispaces.com and for more recent transcripts, please visit http://homepage.mac.com/jessid/slroundtable/
AJ Brooks: For information on FUTURE MEETINGS, there is a notecard giver on the West wall of the Amphitheater.
AJ Brooks: The SL Education Roundtable meeting happens each week, but we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
AJ Brooks: Please join the SL EDUCATION ROUNDTABLE group. If you have problems finding it in search, just outside this amphitheater you will see several displays. By clicking the appropriate one you can join the group.
AJ Brooks: As the group grows, there will be announcements and such that will be exclusive to the group. I'm also open for ideas of what can bring value to the group.
AJ Brooks: Join us on FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=44078263753&ref=share
AJ Brooks: Thanks to Olivia Hotshot for putting together a Flickr group for the SLER. I encourage everyone to join the group and to take pictures from our meeting and add them to the group. Its a great way to show, and grow, our community.
AJ Brooks: And thanks to Iggy and Margaret for being our Scribes
Olivia Hotshot waves and lets everyone know she will help with those who want to add photos
AJ Brooks: <shameless plug> This weekend, at the Virtual Worlds Best Practices in Education Conference, Dr. Edina Renfro-Michel and I will be doing a Demonstration on Saturday at 10am SLT. We will be World Premiering the Theorists Project, and interactive look at several counseling theorists, including Freud's Office and Iceberg. Come check out our demonstration. </shameless plug>
AJ Brooks: Later on this year we will be having a roundtable that will focus on students. Margaret Michalski is coordinating that effort and she has asked that if you have anything you would like to ask the students, to please drop her a notecard or IM with your thoughts.
AJ Brooks: It seems we have somehow come up short in our text chats from past meetings. We have a large percentage of them but are, for some odd reason, missing some. If you have chat transcripts from any of the following meeting dates, please drop them to me so we can get them added to the wiki. All dates in 2008: March 11, March 18, May 13, Sept 2, Sept 9, Sept 16, Sept 30, Oct 28, Nov 4, Nov 11
AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
AJ Brooks: Folks sitting in the amphitheater, come on down and join us - there is plenty of room at the table
AJ Brooks: grab an empty chair, one more will appear
AJ Brooks: Lets start today as we always do, by introducing ourselves. Please type into local chat your name, where you work, and what you do.
India Cerise: Love this table:)
Marty Snowpaw: vwbpe.org to find out more about AJ's presentation and what else is on the program
AJ Brooks: (part of the full-version MystiTool
AJ Brooks: under REZZERS
KaLynne Silvercloud: Cathy Andersno SD Board of REgents Academic Coordinator for online
Bungy Bingyi: David Smith, Oakland School for the Arts and Director of Technology.
Margaret Michalski: Margaret, University of Illinois at Chicago, Research Information Specialist
Josef Haefnir: Joseph Kerkman, Grinnell College, Curricular Technology Specialist
AJ Brooks: I am AJ Kelton, I'm the Director of Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University and the Coordinator of the Second Life Project for the College of Education and Human Services, also at MSU.. We're located in northern New Jersey, just fourteen miles from midtown Manhattan.
Geoff Lumley: Geoff Barker-Read, University of Leeds, UK
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel , Cal State Chico , tech consultant
Max Chatnoir: Mary Anne Clark, Texas Wesleyan University, Biology, Genome Island
Kavon Zenovka: Kae from Front Range Community College
Marty Snowpaw: marty keltz content creator
Roux Rexen: Linda Lindsey UTSA grad student
Marcia Kjeller: Marcia Kloepper, Auburn University, IT Specialist
Susana Rexen: Susana Machado, San Jose Stat University Graduate Student in Nursing Education
Profesora Farigoule: LC Weaverling, Architectural Design Faculty, Delaware Technical & Community Collge, Newark DE USA
Jessica Knapp: Laurie Simon Computer Applications Instructor Wisconsin Indianhead Technical College
Claudia Linden: Claudia L'Amoreaux, education programs manager, Linden Lab. San Francisco
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology and psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working an a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life-Skills in Second Life
Mary Roussel: Mary... language teacher....
Tuxedo Ninetails: Mex Butler, masters candidate at University of Melbourne, Australia. Teacher, instructional designer and other stuff
Weave Oldrich: Ken Weaverling, Systems Admin Director, Delaware Technical and Community College
Dilan Socke: kostas mathiopoulos IT teacher
AJ Brooks: who else?
Firery Broome: University of Delaware, IT Faculty Support, UD Island caretaker
Liam Gunes: William Barnett CIS Chair, U of Lousiana
Zubiria Rauch: Xabier Basogain, Basque Country University, teacher
AJ Brooks: anyone else?
EDucator Freiman: Wayne Valaitis, Vice President of Operations, FSW, INC. Bridgeort , CT
Freda Bluebird: Freda Bluebird, UNCCharlotte
Teri Boxen: teri boxen san jose state university
AJ Brooks: going once
AJ Brooks: going twice
AJ Brooks: sold to the blue lady with the pink hair
AJ Brooks: :-)
AJ Brooks: Thanks everyone. One last thing, its really hard for me to respond to IMs while running the meeting. If you IM me, I promise to get back to you before I sign off.
AJ Brooks: ok - so our topic tonight
AJ Brooks: the dreaded assessment
AJ Brooks: owwwwwwwwwww
AJ Brooks: he said the A word
India Cerise: lol
AJ Brooks: :-)
Teri Boxen: audio?
India Cerise: we need to embrace the A word
India Cerise: lol
AJ Brooks: ok - straw pole
AJ Brooks: how many of you are currently teaching using SL - say YES
Max Chatnoir: yes
Fli Nurmi: yes
India Cerise: yes
Liam Gunes: yes
Marty Snowpaw: no
Margaret Michalski: no
Kavon Zenovka: yes
Firery Broome: yes
Geoff Lumley: no
Freda Bluebird: wannabe
Olivia Hotshot: no
Mary Roussel: no
Teri Boxen: no
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes
Dilan Socke: no
Susana Rexen: not yet
Claudia Linden: yes
Weave Oldrich: n/a :)
Zubiria Rauch: yes
Josef Haefnir: not yet
Tuxedo Ninetails: Running PD sessions - you count that?
AJ Brooks: yup
Tuxedo Ninetails: Ok, yes then
India Cerise: what are PD sessions
Tuxedo Ninetails: PD = professional development
KaLynne Silvercloud: hope to be again soon..
India Cerise: ah yes
Tuxedo Ninetails: for teaching in this case
Kavon Zenovka: doing that too
Geoff Lumley: yes for pd
AJ Brooks: ok - so maybe 25% of you are teaching
Oronoque Westland: pd
Zotarah Shepherd: Research for my MA
AJ Brooks: I includ PD because its learning - and should self-assess
AJ Brooks: now - of that 25 % of you - how many of you are doing any kind of assessment
Tuxedo Ninetails: Please indicate if you are doing PD - I am doing research on that and would like to contact anyone who is
AJ Brooks: say YES
Profesora Farigoule: yes
Oronoque Westland: yes
India Cerise: yes
Fli Nurmi: yes
Tuxedo Ninetails: Evaluation, not assessment
Mary Roussel: yes
Daniel Voyager: heya!
AJ Brooks: fine - same difference
Max Chatnoir: I've done faculty workshops; does that count?
Marty Snowpaw: Evaluation better word
KaLynne Silvercloud: I planned on developing rubrics for the assessment..
AJ Brooks: ok - so a good number of you
AJ Brooks: thats refreshing
Firery Broome: same as max
Freda Bluebird: I'ma GA for a professor who wants to use it in simulation
AJ Brooks: the number has NEVER been that high
India Cerise: Evaluation vs Assessment
AJ Brooks: now - before we get started
AJ Brooks: hang on
Tuxedo Ninetails: What is GA?
AJ Brooks: give me one more minute everyone
India Cerise: kk
AJ Brooks: How many of you are teaching ANYTHING - say YES
India Cerise: YES
Olivia Hotshot: yes
AJ Brooks: including SL or not
Kavon Zenovka: project where they are a portion of the grade is how ell did they address legal business issues in a virtual in their contract
KaLynne Silvercloud: yes
Fli Nurmi: yes
Firery Broome: YES
Tuxedo Ninetails: Yes
Claudia Linden: yes
Zotarah Shepherd: yes
Josef Haefnir: yes
Kavon Zenovka: yes
Max Chatnoir: yes
Dilan Socke: yes
Margaret Michalski: no
Liam Gunes: yes
Bungy Bingyi: no
Cyndyl Enyo: yes
Marty Snowpaw: have taught not now
Jessica Knapp: yes
Esme Qunhua: yes
AJ Brooks: ok - close to or equally to 50 % of you
AJ Brooks: so - of those teaching - how many of you have ever assessed ANY tools that you used teaching?
Profesora Farigoule: yes
AJ Brooks: assessed the tool itself
Franchella Milena: yes
AJ Brooks: the effectiveness of the tool
Geoff Lumley: yes
KaLynne Silvercloud: not formally..
Oronoque Westland: yes
India Cerise: yes
Fli Nurmi: yes
Liam Gunes: no
Dilan Socke: no
AJ Brooks: no
Max Chatnoir: yes
Oronoque Westland: yes
Jessica Knapp: yes
Kavon Zenovka: yes
Olivia Hotshot hears flapping wings
KaLynne Silvercloud: learning management system and used quality matters rubric for online course assessment
Susana Rexen is Online
AJ Brooks: wow - really - all of you saying yes have assessed the value of a specific teaching tool - maybe a video, or a book?
Margaret Michalski: will be in the future
AJ Brooks: I'm not asking if you've done assessment of the learning going on
Kavon Zenovka: @KaLynne familiar with Quality Matters
AJ Brooks: that should be done no matter what, right?
Max Chatnoir: right
Olivia Hotshot: yes with a rubric for online instruction
Margaret Michalski: right
AJ Brooks: ok - so I'm asking if you've narrowed that down even further to look at a specific tool you used in that learning process
Margaret Michalski: rubics are good
KaLynne Silvercloud: yes I have set up on survey monkey now works nice..
Marty Snowpaw: not always possible
Kavon Zenovka: we do it for serious games before we bring them into the class
KaLynne Silvercloud: assessing the games makes sense to determine if they meet the outcomes
AJ Brooks: ok - so, I'll make my point, and then I'll shut up. And I'll let you all go at it for a while (and take my usual role)
Max Chatnoir: How do you separate that from assessing learning?
Zotarah Shepherd: I did a survey monkey once but did not get many responses.
AJ Brooks: I don't see why we spend so much time talking about assessment specific to SL as a teaching tool - we should be focusing on the learning that is going on. And what I mean by that is
KaLynne Silvercloud: I will have to explain how I use it for the QA matters rubric to capture the informatio from assessment
Kavon Zenovka: We assess content, usability, if it can be adapted and how and then we go for student engagement
Chimera Cosmos: Hi all
AJ Brooks: Either we look at all the tool we are using or we not single out one of the most rarely used ones
Margaret Michalski: I manage surveys that evaluate programs and sometimes you need to send as many as 5 emails before they do.
AJ Brooks: that said
AJ Brooks: I think we should assess all tools
Margaret Michalski: agreed
KaLynne Silvercloud: the tools and technology have to [be] integrated to the learning outcomes..serve a purpose
Marty Snowpaw: tools is only the small part of the equation
KaLynne Silvercloud: to engage a student in hi/her learning
KaLynne Silvercloud: how does it match the outcomes established for the course.
Marc Rexen: Learning spaces are big at this Educause, millions spent on them to promote Active learning...finally saw some weakish data that says they work.
Marc Rexen: Assessment of the new seems to lag...sorta expected.
Kavon Zenovka: Here's why I think hi tech tools have to be assessed more - there is a learning curve 4 the instructor and the students - if a chalkboard is just as effective why bother?
Olivia Hotshot: learning space = content management system?
AJ Brooks: it can
AJ Brooks: olivia
AJ Brooks: opps
Marc Rexen: No, physical spaces...
AJ Brooks: lol
Olivia Hotshot: ok
AJ Brooks: why does a learning space need to be a physical space
KaLynne Silvercloud: ensure that the technology does not overshadow the content of the course
AJ Brooks: why can't it be a virtual space
AJ Brooks: like wimba classroom
JudyArx Scribe: i think there is a question of what are we assessing for -are looking at ourselves in conjunction with a platform
AJ Brooks: or SL
Chimera Cosmos: the chalkboard does not teach information literacy, and I think that is a part of our jobs--an important part
Kavon Zenovka: @KaLynne is the cognitive overload worth what they will get from using the tool
Marc Rexen: Virtual plays into too, though, the "Emotional Bandwidth" concept sorta caught folks (first time an SL concept affected RL :).
AJ Brooks: so information literacy is on the syllabus no matter what the course?
Chimera Cosmos: yes :-)
Zotarah Shepherd: I think learning needs to be also assessed by on qualitative observation and portfolios not just a quantitative teat.
AJ Brooks: hmm -0 interesting
KaLynne Silvercloud: right..
AJ Brooks: that hasn't worked so well with Writing Across the Curriculum
Marty Snowpaw: yes Zotarah
Kavon Zenovka: try to get new media literacy on there - would love a technology across the curriculum movement
Chimera Cosmos: all areas have literature and context--faculty need to model for students how we find and use them
Zotarah Shepherd: It is a part of Standards for K-12
Marty Snowpaw: see if anyone responds
Marty Snowpaw: as long as you refer to sl as a tool
AJ Brooks: I know some senior faculty member (higher ed) who would never use technology
Margaret Michalski: the problem that I see with qualitative is that not many are willing to suggest improvements or make negative comments unless they REALY hate something.
KaLynne Silvercloud: is the use of SL a new learning environment or a tool for learning that needs to be evaluated for appropriateness in meeting outcomes..
AJ Brooks: and would fight you to have the right not to require that they do
Marty Snowpaw: you will miss the forest for the trees
Kavon Zenovka: @ AJ seen them too
Kavon Zenovka: @ AJ yes
AJ Brooks: also - who sets the standards?
Chimera Cosmos: yes, AJ, but we don't have to approve (I don't) -- you do have to be careful how you point that out LOL
Zotarah Shepherd: I see SL as more of a venue in which other tools can be used.
AJ Brooks: approve or not we have no control
Kavon Zenovka: but most of time I'm on the other side of the battle -trying to bring new apps in
AJ Brooks: why fight something that you can't change - spend efforts where you can
Freda Bluebird: how about use it as a simulation
JudyArx Scribe: Z thats interesting
KaLynne Silvercloud: yes I believe we need to define it as a learning environment and not a tech tool
Chimera Cosmos: still, we have to encourage and model as best we can
KaLynne Silvercloud: because it can support a variety of individual tools for learning...
AJ Brooks: how did email become defacto not technology
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes KaLynne
Marty Snowpaw: learning environment is getting closer
Margaret Michalski: In articles on tech tools they tend to look at effectiveness with usability.
Tuxedo Ninetails: LMSs merge teaching with reporting, creating a shift towards use of technology for all teaching staff
Marty Snowpaw: sl is not technology
Tuxedo Ninetails: AJ same way that pens are defacto not technology
AJ Brooks: its not?
KaLynne Silvercloud: in so many ways LMSs are content delivery systems...SL is an environment.
Marty Snowpaw: it is a media platform
Freda Bluebird: you have to help the educators understand it
AJ Brooks: wait wait - how is SL not technology?
Marty Snowpaw: for content and engagement
AJ Brooks: marty - that IS technology
AJ Brooks: its like saying linux is not technology
Margaret Michalski: SL in as online learning environment
AJ Brooks: or blackboard
Margaret Michalski: that puts it with tech
JudyArx Scribe: i was looking at a architectural competition that stated 15000 new classrooms were needed for the growing population - guess what i thought of as a possible solution:)
Tuxedo Ninetails: Once something is used almost as an extension of oneself, it stops looking like technology
AJ Brooks: true - Margaret - but it IS technology
Marty Snowpaw: u keep the focus too narrow
Freda Bluebird: its the technology part that scares people
Chimera Cosmos: it's technology based--but much more to it than something like an LMS
Olivia Hotshot: hence my question, what is a learning space?
Marty Snowpaw: and talk about cathode ray tubes instead of all in the family
Marc Rexen: SL is sort of being replicated by the active learning spaces and approaches that are driving pedagogy and space design...this connection really gelled for me today.
Olivia Hotshot: i think it is more open than most think
AJ Brooks: learning space = a space where learning happens
Zotarah Shepherd: Technology will become more accepted and mainstream.
KaLynne Silvercloud: a face to face classroom and delivery of content is also underpinned by technology ...increasingly so it seems..
Soozie Sorbet is Online
Max Chatnoir: Yes, indeed
Chimera Cosmos: some of you are in Chicago at Educause?
Olivia Hotshot: when i see ABC news and congress people using Twitter - i know technology is mainstream
Marty Snowpaw: if you don't realize it is a medium you will never understand it
AJ Brooks: ah - good question - who is at MWRC right now
Marc Rexen: Space, be it virtual, or physical matters, and the approaches being used for physical space assessment seem "reasonable" to apply to SL...might be a starting point.
JudyArx Scribe: there is a complex relationship when we think of evaluating
JudyArx Scribe: those kids et al have to be sitting somewhere
Tuxedo Ninetails: Castronova says VWs are so much fun, RL will have to lift its game to keep engaging people, specially 'digital natives'
AJ Brooks: Marty - I'm not saying its not a medium - I'm saying its still technology
Margaret Michalski: I am in Chicago but attended it in world : )
Marc Rexen: I am...lack of power outlets...:)
AJ Brooks: it has not been accepted to the point of being transparent
JudyArx Scribe: i am not sure all the excitement should be on screen
KaLynne Silvercloud: we would not assess SL as technology or the appropriateness of using anymore than we would the instructional use of a classroom
Freda Bluebird: with schools leaving no child behind?
Olivia Hotshot: but we assess LMS all the time
AJ Brooks: HA
AJ Brooks: (OPPS, SORRY)
Marty Snowpaw: KaLyne good point
Tuxedo Ninetails: @Judy -I agree, Rest of life needs to be more fun.
KaLynne Silvercloud: what you are setting up is what we do now ..saying that distance education is a "deficient" method of learning
Chimera Cosmos: Are there more Educause in-world sessions still to come (from Chicago)?
KaLynne Silvercloud: it's not deficient but different.
JudyArx Scribe: @T yes - but not seen as a split
Olivia Hotshot: why shouldn't we asses if SL is being used effectively or not in a teaching and learning situation?
Olivia Hotshot: oops
AJ Brooks: I wouldnt use the word deficient
Kavon Zenovka: But assessment and data is what will get more technology adopters
JudyArx Scribe: i lookforward to standing at a screen
Marc Rexen: KaLynne seems "more correct than not," within the concept of "spaces," it's how they allow the pedagogy to change that matters.
Olivia Hotshot: assess (please clean that up for the transcript)
KaLynne Silvercloud: and may be more effective for some (can't think of the word) to learn in than others..
Marty Snowpaw: it not technology Kavon
Tuxedo Ninetails: @Olivia, I think we should, along with anything else we use.
Marty Snowpaw: not anymore
AJ Brooks: you mean, not asses, Olivia! LOL
Marty Snowpaw: radio is not technology
JudyArx Scribe: that simple thing of standing has a big impact in learning health and classroom management
Marty Snowpaw: film is not technology
Olivia Hotshot cringes and chuckles
AJ Brooks: because it is transparent
Roux Rexen: radio is tech
AJ Brooks: because it is transparent
Marty Snowpaw: no it is a medium for content
AJ Brooks: once it becomes transparent - it is not technology
Margaret Michalski: I am going to do an assessment of SL because many of the faculty in my institution are still using the traditional format of learning.
Marc Rexen: SL becomes transparent quickly, has for us, and based on this morning session, does for most.
Marty Snowpaw: IT is the old news
Margaret Michalski: BB is used only as a place to post notes etc.
Olivia Hotshot: or not learning in some cases margaret
KaLynne Silvercloud: but if I were to use a particular film in my classroom how can Idemonstrate it's effectiveness in learning outcomes?
AJ Brooks: Well, Marty - we have a fundamental disagreement
Marty Snowpaw: exactly
AJ Brooks: I don't have the exact quote
JudyArx Scribe: @K -we cant
AJ Brooks: but agree that something is technology until it becomes transparent (boring, I believe was the word used)
Kavon Zenovka: you have to get over some people's reluctance - by having assessment
India Cerise: Should we assess the content we create for Sl and not spend time assessing SL?
Marty Snowpaw: that is why you think one platform can be exchanged easily for another
KaLynne Silvercloud: @aj..you are right transparency.
Kavon Zenovka: @ marty form my viewpoint it's still technology even if the laggards are using it's just ubiquitous
Marc Rexen: I'm leaning to AJ...and will rescue Marty if he says the "content is delivered in a pedagogically sound active learner mode."
Margaret Michalski: If I may can I share what I ma going to do?
Marty Snowpaw: What the Alliance Library people do is not because of the platform
Marty Snowpaw: it is on the platform
India Cerise: SL would be considered one of many tools instead of the next big thing
Marc Rexen: Then yes, SL, is just an Active Learner classroom.
JudyArx Scribe: so often i find value is a faith when we assess
Marty Snowpaw: it is programming
Zotarah Shepherd: Distance learning can become an important part of curriculum at a schools too.
KaLynne Silvercloud: @ india..and I don't think we want to underestimate the potential of SL for learning
Marc Rexen: I am programming Marty...umm...:)
Marty Snowpaw: :)
Freda Bluebird: we want to use it to train teachers in Masters level. Can we simulate a classroom?
AJ Brooks: You can tell the Twitter users
KaLynne Silvercloud: and engaging students globally in learning
AJ Brooks: :-)
Margaret Michalski: My project will have a group of students doing role-play inclass (as usual) and another will do it using SL.
Margaret Michalski: My hope is that they will see that SL is just as good, if not better than traditional.
Zotarah Shepherd: Interesting Margaret
KaLynne Silvercloud: sims for business are excellent
Margaret Michalski: Question!
Dilan Socke: How are you going to assess role playing Margaret?
Marc Rexen: Lightning round on Informal learning spaces...another strong place that SL can impact.
Marty Snowpaw: or co creation
Margaret Michalski: I plan on using a pre and post test method
Marty Snowpaw: or engagement
India Cerise: experiential learning
Freda Bluebird: I'm a GA for A SPec ED
India Cerise: and engagement are important indicators
Dilan Socke: measuring?
Margaret Michalski: if it is a good start to assessing SL I don't know.
KaLynne Silvercloud: transparency ..will we see classrooms where students and faculty are engages
Marc Rexen: This is where I think SL can have the greatest near-term impact, the casual, informal, learning.
KaLynne Silvercloud: in all learning spaces..
JudyArx Scribe: sl is also very blinding to al ot of work students do - one issue for me is actually i am not seeing what students are doing
Marty Snowpaw: right Marc and that is the hardest to measure
AJ Brooks: so - who thinks we should be assessing the effectiveness of SL as a teaching tool, or a learning medium, or {insert phrase here}
Marty Snowpaw: An in the US everything is about standards and measurement
JudyArx Scribe: it is hidden in inventories and lost in local chat between themselves
Marty Snowpaw: and it has become a curse
Marc Rexen: Especially if the "room or area," has the "content" available that can make discussion more tractable (another bone to Marty).
Kavon Zenovka: I have to
Margaret Michalski: Aj, I do
Zotarah Shepherd: I do if only to prove it's value to admins.
India Cerise: I think we should assess based on our learning objectives
India Cerise: and not the tools per se
Margaret Michalski: we had a adjunct faculty in town
Freda Bluebird: You should be teaching people how to use it a classroom setting.
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes India
India Cerise: per se
AJ Brooks: if we measure the outcomes, why doe the tool matter?
Max Chatnoir: Well, I agree with Ka that SL is a learning space, but since its relatively new, it should be assessed.
Olivia Hotshot: in case anyone is interested - what we use at Chico to assess online course materials - usually LMS - but a good start for thinking about innovative technologies: http://www.csuchico.edu/celt/roi/
Fli Nurmi: i think we need to assess, but .......we have to have new parameters
Margaret Michalski: it was not until they actual saw SL that they realize it's potential
AJ Brooks: if students learn what they are supposed to learn, what does it matter what tools were used to teach them?
Marty Snowpaw: the tool for the most effect learning can only be anecdotal
Max Chatnoir: Thanks, Olivia.
Fli Nurmi: agreed ar
Olivia Hotshot: some may not be ethical AJ *grinning*
Freda Bluebird: Experience!
Margaret Michalski: @ AJ, I did my entire masters online.
Olivia Hotshot: welcome Max
Marc Rexen: Active learners do as well, or better...anything decent and sustained with SL, be it formal or informal, is likely to do better than traditional.
Margaret Michalski: I was much more relaxed online that in class
Kavon Zenovka: @ AJ we're just trying to prove that at least
KaLynne Silvercloud: Student evaluations will be key I think..to ensure they focused on the content
JudyArx Scribe: and put a poor educator with a great tool and you have nothing of value
India Cerise: face-to-face classes are being held all over the world. some held in smart classrooms, some still use chalk boards, would we assess the rooms ability to deliver?
Zotarah Shepherd: If SL is a good delivery system for learning to take place then we have to prove it by the content of subject matter students actually learn.
Margaret Michalski: Going back to in class was torture.
Fli Nurmi: sorry - everyone, computer's gone mad - i'm sending messages way before they're finished!
KaLynne Silvercloud: and did not get hung up on the learning environment.
Kavon Zenovka: @ India - they don't have anything to prove if they use a chalkboard
KaLynne Silvercloud: learning about sl
Max Chatnoir: I agree, Zotorah
AJ Brooks: ok - so is the work being assessed in those f2f classes the way they are in technology rich classes?
Margaret Michalski: This is the way I see it!!
KaLynne Silvercloud: NO face to face are not assessed in the same way
AJ Brooks: it shoudl be :-)
India Cerise: lol yes maybe depends on where you start Kavon...we could suggest that learning is better in the open air
Max Chatnoir: Well, indirectly. isn't the f2f often the control group?
India Cerise: Chalk boards are old technology
KaLynne Silvercloud: we do a very thorough assessment of online
Margaret Michalski: They make students fill out evaluations of courses for a reason.
AJ Brooks: YES
India Cerise: but effective for the times
AJ Brooks: and why is it the control group?
Margaret Michalski: They use that same reason for online
KaLynne Silvercloud: at the institutional level and the SD "system Level"
Max Chatnoir: learning +- whatever tool you are assessing?
Margaret Michalski: If you get results that show approximate equal value then fine.
Kavon Zenovka: @ Margaret - you're right think about what online learning had to go thru
KaLynne Silvercloud: to meet accreditation standards for online
Marc Rexen: Good study of traditional space classes Vs. Active learner spaces....good controls...same to better for Active. If the same content is prepared and discussed, I just don't see how SL can come up lacking.
AJ Brooks: if we use teh tools to measure the weight of something we will never know what color it is
Profesora Farigoule: @AJ - lma0
AJ Brooks: :-) its true
Kavon Zenovka: when I'm asked about online and is it as good - I just say the academic research was completed by 2000 showing no measurable difference
India Cerise: a few years back the LMS was the next big thing
Marc Rexen: Then we're into the tech advantage that students can be at a distance, though, it would force Synchronous classes to test.
India Cerise: now its standard
AJ Brooks: if we use the tools to measure f2f teaching, we will never know the effectiveness of technology rich teaching - the cards are stacked against us
Teri Boxen: yes
Profesora Farigoule: but too much assessment is done for assessments sake - they measure the weight with rulers and call it a study :(
Kavon Zenovka: @ India - yes , a few laggards but oh well
AJ Brooks: lol @Prof
Zotarah Shepherd: SL proves better for learning only if we learn HOW to use it.
Margaret Michalski: BB and other CM may not show difference.
Marty Snowpaw: thanks profÉ.my point exactly
Max Chatnoir: I think we are still learning how to use it.
Margaret Michalski: My guess is that the visual of SL will make a difference in leanring.
Marc Rexen: I wouldn't be afraid of using "their tools," AJ...the medium with the same message is likely to be as good.
Kavon Zenovka: @ AJ - yes they are - so do we change the rules and look at other methodology
Marty Snowpaw: its an obsession because of no child left behind
India Cerise: with SL we're experiencing a paradigm shift in how we describe learning environments
Profesora Farigoule: @Marty - sigh too true
Marc Rexen: What this means is Distance Education can become as good as "f2f." :)
India Cerise: we can create a classroom in SL or we can create an environment that is richly associated with content
Olivia Hotshot: some distance ed is better at this point Marty
Kavon Zenovka: maybe SL can be better
Marty Snowpaw: as good as it is better than
Marty Snowpaw: good India
JudyArx Scribe: for me i think there is a need to have vws in ed simply because they are in the world students are in
Margaret Michalski: The child left behind issue is a problem because of in-class issues (space etc. )
Marty Snowpaw: lets talk about content
India Cerise: yes Margaret:)
Margaret Michalski: online some of those barriers are eliminated
Max Chatnoir: once you GET online
Marc Rexen: Content is weak within Sl Marty...I wish it were better.
Profesora Farigoule: @Judy - yes - and because it is the way business will operate in future too
Fli Nurmi: if we create a classroom in Sl we are just using a replication model, which is what we would expect at present, but we must create rich content
India Cerise: also for students with physical or behavioral challenges
AJ Brooks: class"rooms" in SL are about as useful as [insert witty old time country phrase here to make things appear totally useless]
Margaret Michalski: not to mention online is more adjustable to students learning style
Marty Snowpaw: because content is at a tipping point
KaLynne Silvercloud: that is what I find difficult is how to deliver content
JudyArx Scribe: if students are ever likely to attend a meeting in a vw we need to have it in ed- and they will meet in VW
KaLynne Silvercloud: so I used google groups to manage course materials.
Marty Snowpaw: and not enough people, educators see that it is what it is about
Margaret Michalski: if the design is right and SL will work
Kavon Zenovka: Students are meeting in vw all the time - club penguin, runescape, world of warcraft
Marty Snowpaw: noodles and snoodles are not what it is about
Olivia Hotshot: agree Margaret
Marty Snowpaw: not #2 pencils either
Fli Nurmi: agreed Marty
JudyArx Scribe: i cant imagine a school not wanting students to become able with the internet -vw's are headed the same way
Margaret Michalski: I have taken almost every single class offered online.
AJ Brooks: kids today would have no idea what a #2 pencil is if they didn't have to do stadardize testing
Marty Snowpaw: if you are fighting for technology u will never win
Margaret Michalski: So I have seen on what works and what not.
India Cerise: ah yes the #2
India Cerise: its low tech
Marc Rexen: Read a chapter, listen to a canned lecture, then, Discuss...it's the Discuss part that SL can do so well.
AJ Brooks: that yellow tan with the #2 on the end is still the best
Max Chatnoir: LOL, one of them asked me just a few days ago... #2 pencil
India Cerise: the new #2 is a graphics tablet:)
Profesora Farigoule: @AJ - don't insult my fave #2 technology lol ;)
India Cerise: lol
JudyArx Scribe: do an installation as a review in world
AJ Brooks: lol
India Cerise: i love low tech:)))
India Cerise: lol
Olivia Hotshot: what about the immersion Marty? the role play that other online learning spaces do so poorly at?
Marc Rexen: #2 Pencils are for marking sushi menus (period).
AJ Brooks: YES @Marc
AJ Brooks: you just made me hungry
Marty Snowpaw: that is the great gift of this medium
India Cerise: roleplay yields amazing results
Esme Qunhua: Margaret I think you had a good question about content
Zotarah Shepherd: If students can build or do something collaborative in SL that is even better.
Profesora Farigoule: and making art :)
Marty Snowpaw: that needs to be developed
Profesora Farigoule: and possibly making sushi art... OK i'll shutup now
Marty Snowpaw: and not avoided because there is no assessment tool
India Cerise: I think we should also consider the student - their exposure to technology. Many students come into the world playing video games.
AJ Brooks: So if we WERE to assess SL - what would we look for?
Profesora Farigoule: it is same questions being asked of SL now that were asked of online learning in 1996....
JudyArx Scribe: ;) to not us assessing but the students reviewing
AJ Brooks: what makes SL successful?
India Cerise: game like assessments are pretty cool
AJ Brooks: meta-issue wise
Esme Qunhua: When LMSs were being assessed. It became apparent that you can't compare LMS to face to face. All you can do is find out if people learn
Fli Nurmi: some do India, but many don't the whole digital native thing is way overrated
Profesora Farigoule: but online learning didnt wait for assessment ... the assessment had to catch up to practice
KaLynne Silvercloud: I think it is important that educators determine the appropriate assessment
Kavon Zenovka: @ India so engagement is important - will they find SL boring or better than the LMS - what view will they take?
Margaret Michalski: if students show advancement in knowledge
India Cerise: yes Fli, its one of many tools
Marc Rexen: Assess the discussion of a Graduate level Information course for me Marty...that's where most of my learning occurred on the topic...it's where the concepts I'd read, gelled.
AJ Brooks: how do you demonstrate advancement in knowledge
Fli Nurmi: indeed
KaLynne Silvercloud: don't put accreditation into the position of driving it.
India Cerise: yes Kavon I think some students will think SL is boring
KaLynne Silvercloud: I am going to start putting together articles and information that I find
India Cerise: especially as newbies
JudyArx Scribe: AJ- as a phd :)
India Cerise: the wow factor fades for some
KaLynne Silvercloud: on assessment in a google docs site
Marty Snowpaw: advancement in knowledge is a by product
Profdan Netizen: More boring than Blackboard, India?
Marty Snowpaw: teach them to love learning
Kavon Zenovka: @ india my gamer students are divided - they like it but not as much as the WoW auction house
Marty Snowpaw: to enjoy education
Fli Nurmi: many of my younger students find it really boring- the mature students are way more engaged
Olivia Hotshot: why not provide opportunities for students who learn well in interactive environments? i am all about choices - for so many years there were NO choices - lets learn how to use VW better and use them to make learning come alive
Esme Qunhua: SL can be boring. It all depends on what happens here. It can also be amazing.
Profesora Farigoule: @Kalynne - we will be ever so grateful if you do :)
India Cerise: I think blackboard is useful...i found lifelong friends on blackboard
Zotarah Shepherd: SL can engage all the intelligences and learning styles in a collaborative way, some that are not possible in RL or would be very expensive.
Profesora Farigoule: or impossible
AJ Brooks: ok - so - how do we assess that?
Margaret Michalski: Assessment can be as easy as asking : If you had to take this class again would you do it in class or online?
Olivia Hotshot: exactly Zotarah
KaLynne Silvercloud: Of course if they see the potential for art, exploring other cultures, learning about business and even having a sl life business they may
Profdan Netizen: But if blackboard were a 3d immersive world, wouldn't that be better?
KaLynne Silvercloud: find it very exciting..
Marty Snowpaw: that is the key question ....how to assess that
AJ Brooks: yes
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes KaLynne
AJ Brooks: wow , marty - we agree :-)
AJ Brooks: (j/k)
Marty Snowpaw: in a humane way
Fli Nurmi: lol
Olivia Hotshot: Prof - that is like asking if the devil become 3D would he become more evil
KaLynne Silvercloud: an opportunity to do things that they may not otherwise be able to do..
Marty Snowpaw: that acknowledges learning differences
KaLynne Silvercloud: and perhaps translate that experience to the rl
Margaret Michalski: If SL would work with BB it would be better
Zotarah Shepherd: hehehe Olivia
Profdan Netizen: lol @Olivia!!!
Marc Rexen: Yes, I spent 4 hours one evening talking boron-hydrogen fusion with one...we watched a 1 hour Google video as we talked, and talked, and talked.
Esme Qunhua: BB would be better if it was not just one group of people. SL is great because here we all are from our different courses
AJ Brooks: LOL - if the devil became #d would he be more evil! :-)
Margaret Michalski: and maybe more accepted
Margaret Michalski: by faculty
Bushido Contepomi: When the young students realize they can make some lunch money with the stuff they make, you will be sure to get more interest
India Cerise: I am a fan of narrative theory so SL represents a slice of that concept
AJ Brooks: ooo - how so @india
Zotarah Shepherd: I like that many tools can be used in SL too.
Marty Snowpaw: Narrative theory yes
Profesora Farigoule: agree w/Esme -one SL strength is ability to have diversity outside of controlled secure access to course materials
Dilan Socke: which tools?
JudyArx Scribe: Bushido - i have been trying to convince students sl is better than pizza delivery - no takers yet
Marty Snowpaw: willful suspension f disbelief yes
India Cerise: hahah Judy
Zotarah Shepherd: hehe Judy
KaLynne Silvercloud: yes you have to suspend disbelief
AJ Brooks: pizza delivery, maybe - pizza - no way!
India Cerise: yes SL might be considered the greatest thing since sliced bread for some
Marty Snowpaw: that is its great power
KaLynne Silvercloud: all people are different its right for some and not others.
Zotarah Shepherd wonders if computers will ever be able to deliver smell and touch.
AJ Brooks: i think it can be proven that people learn better when they enjoy the process
KaLynne Silvercloud: think WII
KaLynne Silvercloud: and motion sensors.
Marty Snowpaw: we agree again
AJ Brooks: oh - LOVE my Wii Fit!
Margaret Michalski: @ AJ exactly
Margaret Michalski: that is why so many hate BB
Olivia Hotshot: <-- waiting for wireless power
Zotarah Shepherd thinks of Star Trek Holograms.
India Cerise: SL delivers powerful sensory experiences:) so yes I believe it will
Marty Snowpaw: that is the forest AJ
AJ Brooks: And don't tell me that the RUN aerobic exercise is not a "virtual world"
Esme Qunhua: I think VWs will become something everyone MUST use. Like email
Kavon Zenovka: @Esme it will
Bungy Bingyi: I feel it really comes down to how it is used thann what the tool is that determines its success as an educational tool.
KaLynne Silvercloud: somewhere there is some work that was done integrating Wii with SL
AJ Brooks: some form of VW
Kavon Zenovka: just a question of how soon?
AJ Brooks: certainly not SL
AJ Brooks: (sorry claudia!) :-D
Margaret Michalski: Visual is key and it makes students, faculty more motivated
Profesora Farigoule: I agree w Esme and AJ - its like email was in 1990
India Cerise: Wii is the perfect conduit:)
Kavon Zenovka: no SL is not the killer app
JudyArx Scribe: i am at the moment realizing how often methods of working in sl are based on a commercial activity -students as customers-i cringe at this but maybe we need to assess by giving lindens for students to spend on our notes ;)
AJ Brooks: iSL is the gateway drug
AJ Brooks: *SL
KaLynne Silvercloud: Sl is the gateway to killer apps..
Max Chatnoir: :-)
Marty Snowpaw: technology is never the killer ap
KaLynne Silvercloud: for learning
Fli Nurmi: SL is unlikly to be it, but ... there's a lot of us here, how many are exploring other world - with their students
Marty Snowpaw: milton berle was the killer ap for television
Marc Rexen: No, don't apologize AJ...there are layers of change needed to make SL useful teaching...group controls...admin...tons....Education isn't big enough yet to catch their eye, deeply, but eventually it will.
Max Chatnoir: It's getting bigger all the time
Bungy Bingyi: Every generation has had its 'tool' to eliminate ignorance.
Chimera Cosmos: there IS no killer app for education--technological or otherwise!
AJ Brooks: SL will never be the end all - its great historical claim to fame is that it is the foundation that all other VWs will be based on
KaLynne Silvercloud: it seems exponentially bigger
India Cerise: I think its great we are definitely early adopters on some level
Kavon Zenovka: I am - but you may call these MMORPGS instead
JudyArx Scribe: a question of old timers - what is the life expectancy of a sl educator
AJ Brooks: We will look back on SL the way internet users of lore look back on AOL
KaLynne Silvercloud: than it did a year ago
AJ Brooks: when it was the way we all connected to the Internet AND got our content
Fli Nurmi: we are the killer app for education!
Max Chatnoir: life expectancy measured how/
JudyArx Scribe: i ask as i wonder if standards drop because we are all still learning
Bushido Contepomi: I loved treasure hunts , and pretending I was James Bond as a Kid, now it is virtualy possible, and I'm sure that would interest them today;)
Max Chatnoir: ?
AJ Brooks: YES FLI!!!!!!
India Cerise: i think its a huge development platform
Marty Snowpaw: pathfinder is reaching for his tissues
Fli Nurmi grins
KaLynne Silvercloud: I went to the session on SL as a game
Liam Gunes: I have to go do that teaching thing now. Enjoyed the discussion
India Cerise: it removes the concept of limitation for students and for anyone who plays the game
Marty Snowpaw: sl will be channel
AJ Brooks: Bye Liam - thanks for coming
Fli Nurmi: bye Liam
KaLynne Silvercloud: maybe it's not a game..but we can learn a lot in how we play..we are all still kids.
India Cerise: have fun Liam:)
Marty Snowpaw: ineroperability will be the rule
AJ Brooks: teach good
Kavon Zenovka: @KaLynne - you can play and explore without it being a game
AJ Brooks: (no, its not a typo)
KaLynne Silvercloud: so making that structured can happen in sl.
Marc Rexen: He souldn't be Marty, SL is not that far from being "incredibly useful" for teaching...doing the content, you want, and I know is needed, is just not that hard.
KaLynne Silvercloud: for learning
Esme Qunhua: lol AJ are you an inglish (sic) teacher
Kavon Zenovka: @ AJ like drive safe?
AJ Brooks: lol - um - who, me?
AJ Brooks: think different
KaLynne Silvercloud: and here you can visit the Taj, Sistine Chapel and number ofmuseums.
JudyArx Scribe: age in years
AJ Brooks: (so saith the apple user)
Marty Snowpaw: the content creators define what sl has as its potential
India Cerise: you can build what ever concept you are trying to teach
KaLynne Silvercloud: simulate all kinds of things
Marc Rexen: It will force a "fork in the code," which is being rightfully ignored until it's clearly, and economically, worth it.
AJ Brooks: speaking of teaching concepts
JudyArx Scribe: i agree Marty
KaLynne Silvercloud: you just have to be creative
AJ Brooks: after Saturday - if you're not coming to our presentation
AJ Brooks: be sure to check out The Theorist Project
Esme Qunhua: ??
Zotarah Shepherd: The rich content already in SL is a part it's value for teaching
JudyArx Scribe: such a simple thing-be creative!
AJ Brooks: fly across the island north as far as you can and look for the iceberg
AJ Brooks: you cant' miss it
Bushido Contepomi: What is that lesson about teaching a person to fish; rather than giving them the fish? (just making an obvious point, sorry;)
KaLynne Silvercloud: so what is the limiter is the level of creativity
Marc Rexen: I suspect we'll see the first fork to support business conferencing...and many of the tools useful for business will adapt well to education.
Margaret Michalski: @AJ, marked my colander for that one!
Marty Snowpaw: engineers thought new that Beta max was the better technology and they lost to VHS because it did a better job delivering CONTENT
AJ Brooks: we're already seeing that Marc
KaLynne Silvercloud: there is a great deal of content here..collaboration is key
AJ Brooks: Protosphere, project wonderland, etc...
KaLynne Silvercloud: to continue to build sl content
India Cerise: yes the culture has to support collaboration
India Cerise: SL is a very supportive environment anyway
AJ Brooks: so - back to my question from before - how do we assess it?
AJ Brooks: everyone is all for assessing it but few have had ideas about how to do that
Marty Snowpaw: anecdotally
KaLynne Silvercloud: I was thinking today that we can even learn from griefers
Marty Snowpaw: with portfolios
AJ Brooks: anecdotally doesn't get you tenure
Marc Rexen: It's the 24/7 attraction India...after a day of Professional Conferencing or Education, one wants to party...SL has the party angle figured out...:)
AJ Brooks: or promoted
Marty Snowpaw: u said that before
Profesora Farigoule: ... griefers w/ portfolios... interesting concept lol
Max Chatnoir: LOL
Bushido Contepomi: not really India, I was shunned in my first few weeks and felt that no one wanted to explain what the heck this was.
AJ Brooks: me, marty?
Margaret Michalski: surveys, feedback, evaluation from all sides (students, faculty etc.)
Marty Snowpaw: that is what is wrong with the argument if it is tenure of federal funding
Olivia Hotshot: the transcript will tell AJ =)
Marty Snowpaw: or federal funding
JudyArx Scribe: assess intention and completion by product ....
AJ Brooks: ok, margaret - but what do you ask on those surveys, feedbacks, etc...
KaLynne Silvercloud: yes the assessment will be pretty intense
KaLynne Silvercloud: until it is accepted.
India Cerise: I believe we have to assess cognitive and motivational milestones
Kavon Zenovka: I think we may have to change the way we assess our students to show its value for engagement - assess learning objectives and then work to develop assessment that can show the engagement and deep learning based on immersive environments
AJ Brooks: well - faculty in higher ed, if they don't think of tenure, they lose their jobs
KaLynne Silvercloud: but a single definition of what it is LMS, Learning Environment, Technical tool
Zotarah Shepherd: SL has also featured access to educators and professional experts from all over the world that would not be possible in first life without a lot of funding.
KaLynne Silvercloud: needs to be defined.
AJ Brooks: promotion is a different story I suppose
AJ Brooks: but tenure is very important to un-tenured faculty
KaLynne Silvercloud: andI would go for the most flexible definition I could
AJ Brooks: and anyone of them who tells you otherwise has a second job lined up. :-)
KaLynne Silvercloud: as learning environment
Marty Snowpaw: Kovon well said
Margaret Michalski: I am wondering if SL will not get accepted until it is assessed?
Kavon Zenovka: so assessment may actually come fro those of us who are instructional designers/ educational technologists
Fli Nurmi: agreed Kavon
KaLynne Silvercloud: yes..
India Cerise: I think it also depends on the instructor and the methods used
Profdan Netizen: If you can prove an improvement in retention/persistence by using SL over LMS, you'll get admins attention.
Marc Rexen: Tenure issues also surfaced with Active Learning spaces ...so we're not left out.
AJ Brooks: and the environment in which the learning is occurring
Kavon Zenovka: We may partner with those tenured/untenured faculty who can't concentrate on this
AJ Brooks: YES - @Profdan
Marty Snowpaw: u should all be there
Marty Snowpaw: This will be the subject of Luyen Chou's Keynote at VWBPE
Profesora Farigoule: @Margaret- the sooner anyone even makes a facsimile of measurement, it will help acceptance...
Esme Qunhua: We will give up on assessment once there is a critical mass
Max Chatnoir: I want to know two things: did you learning anything. did you have a good time?
India Cerise: I dont believe there are a lot of faculty who would like to teach in SL or via LMS
Profesora Farigoule: even measuring weight with rulers = sigh
AJ Brooks: WOW - that hour flew by
JudyArx Scribe: Prof - you are very wise
AJ Brooks: Those who have to take off - thanks for coming
Kavon Zenovka: @ Esme I agree but for now it's hard here
AJ Brooks: GREAT conversation
AJ Brooks: those who want to stay, feel free -w e'll keep going
Profdan Netizen: We have 9000 students taking online classes this semester.
Bungy Bingyi: Thanks for the time all .
Margaret Michalski: What! and hour already!
Profesora Farigoule: @Judy - not wise, just experienced in measuring weight w/ rulers ;)
Olivia Hotshot: if it can be proven that SL is an effect means to increase learning, faculty wil come, we just need an agreed upon form of assessment
Esme Qunhua: Yes Kavon and I am doing assessment research too - just because I must.
Profdan Netizen: Lots of faculty using LMS.
KaLynne Silvercloud: SD universities have over 20,0000
India Cerise: great discussion! I love SL:)
AJ Brooks: join us next week when we have FOUR special guests
Kavon Zenovka: may I make a shameless plea for greeters at the VWBPE conference 3/27 -3/29?
Marc Rexen: Mentoring, Faculty to Faculty, surfaced several times today in literally whatever the tech area or pedagogical change was being talked about. This means Adoption will depend on quickly Faculty that are teaching spread it to others.
India Cerise: hugs to everyone:)))
AJ Brooks: Elani Matova
AJ Brooks: Esme Qunhua
Olivia Hotshot: wonderful meeting
AJ Brooks: Ellie Brewster
Marty Snowpaw: god I have been wanting to say this
KaLynne Silvercloud: but we still struggle to define distance education!
AJ Brooks: and Stargazer Blazer
Margaret Michalski: Thanks AJ!
JudyArx Scribe: stands to discover she has been sitting on someone-oh sorry --bye
AJ Brooks: All talking about virtual worlds for distance learning
India Cerise: haha Judy lol
AJ Brooks: you guys don't HAVE to go
AJ Brooks: only if you want to
AJ Brooks: we'll keep chatting
Olivia Hotshot: if you have any photos from the meeting please post them on our flickr group!
AJ Brooks: but I like to let those who need to go do so guilt free
Marc Rexen: ...and we're done here for the day in Chicago...time for Sushi...:)
Margaret Michalski: I WILL BE SENDING TRANSCRIPTS TO IGGY
AJ Brooks: STOP THAT MARC!!!!!
KaLynne Silvercloud: pick me up some..
Kavon Zenovka: have fun Marc
Claudia Linden waves. Thanks. Great dialogue.
AJ Brooks: you are en evil evil man
KaLynne Silvercloud: haven't had sushi in ages.
Marty Snowpaw: enjoy marc
Marc Rexen: :)
AJ Brooks: bye claudia
Marcia Kjeller: stands up and quietly slips out the back door
KaLynne Silvercloud: thanks AJ..
Esme Qunhua: bye all see you next week
KaLynne Silvercloud: we are having this same discussion where I work
Olivia Hotshot: AJ, thinking i may have an interesting photo montage for Iggy this week
AJ Brooks: it seems everyone is having this discussion
KaLynne Silvercloud: As the universities are exploring 2nd life.
India Cerise: where do we send the pics?
AJ Brooks: it seems part of the natural evolution of something transformative
Marty Snowpaw: all the time and everywhere
KaLynne Silvercloud: BHSU will soon have an island open.
AJ Brooks: we had these discussions about the web lo those many years ago
Margaret Michalski: thanks everyone!
AJ Brooks: YEAH BHSU!
India Cerise: AJ do you have any tips on how to present a SL proposal to the university?
KaLynne Silvercloud: great school!
Mary Roussel: bye everyone.... thank you ... great roundtable session
Olivia Hotshot: http://www.flickr.com/groups/sler/
KaLynne Silvercloud: under a couple of feet of snow right now.
Marty Snowpaw: and about using film and television in the classroom
AJ Brooks: India - there is a.....thanks olivia
AJ Brooks: :-)
AJ Brooks: quick on the draw
Olivia Hotshot: welcome =)
Marty Snowpaw: and paperback books
Olivia Hotshot: always looking for comrades
Dilan Socke: Assessment of learning or for learning
Marty Snowpaw: and magazines
Chimera Cosmos: I took a pic too: http://www.koinup.com/ChimeraCosmos/works
Olivia Hotshot: with cameras
Chimera Cosmos: of us here ;-)
AJ Brooks: Marty - everything is a medium if look at through your lens
Olivia Hotshot: awesome Chimera
Max Chatnoir: I did a presentation for our board of trustees a while back.
AJ Brooks: well - not YOUR lens, but the lens you are using at the moment
India Cerise: wow how did that work Max?
Max Chatnoir: They loved it.
KaLynne Silvercloud: I will probably do a presentation for the boardof regents in the next six months or so.
KaLynne Silvercloud: I would like to hear what you talked about.
Fim Fischer is Online
Max Chatnoir: I can give you the PPT to look at if you like.
Olivia Hotshot: thanks again AJ! Great Job
KaLynne Silvercloud: that would be great
AJ Brooks: everyone ready for the hot chair swap
Max Chatnoir: I think it was about a year ago.
Olivia Hotshot: Bye Everyone!
KaLynne Silvercloud: cathy.anderson@sdbor.edu
AJ Brooks: 1
AJ Brooks: 2
AJ Brooks: 3
India Cerise: aww ty thats great I think we can all learn from that kind of presentation
Max Chatnoir: Let me get your Email, India.
AJ Brooks: wheeeeeee
India Cerise: one moment
India Cerise: casting@starfishrun.com
AJ Brooks: sorry - i love doing that
Bushido Contepomi: That was fun lol
Margaret Michalski: too funny!
India Cerise: lol
Fli Nurmi: lol
AJ Brooks: lol - its an A ticket at the Carnival
AJ Brooks: great conversation guys
AJ Brooks: awesome meeting
Zotarah Shepherd wonders why it is fun to us. - we are immersed
Fli Nurmi: yeah good to be here!
Margaret Michalski: Thanks AJ for getting it started
Max Chatnoir: OK, got it.
AJ Brooks: is marty still here - I want to whack him on the head with something {looks for an anvil in his inventory]
Max Chatnoir: If it's too big to send, I'll upload it and send you the URL.
Fli Nurmi: right beside ya!
Marty Snowpaw: sitting right next to you
Max Chatnoir: Assessment within SL?
Dilan Socke: yes
Marty Snowpaw: reach over and smack me
Fli Nurmi: oops sorry Marty
India Cerise: yes indeed:))
India Cerise: lol
AJ Brooks: [looks for anvil]
Dilan Socke: Have you ever tried any way of assessment through SL?
Bushido Contepomi: Are they still playing the Bugs Bunny Roadrunner Show on TV to kids, because that is what SL seems like sometimes;-D
Fli Nurmi: yeah we get the students to make think books - still a bit too much like rl for me
Marty Snowpaw: missed
Fli Nurmi: but it works as an assessment tool-
Max Chatnoir: I have a few activities inworld that I use for my genetics class.
AJ Brooks: damn - I'm a bad aim
India Cerise: lol
Fli Nurmi ducks
AJ Brooks: :-)
Marty Snowpaw: I will sit still
AJ Brooks: ROFL
Dilan Socke: May i see that Max?
Bushido Contepomi: Goose!
Fli Nurmi: lol
AJ Brooks: So, honestly - tell me - how do YOU define technology?
AJ Brooks: Serious question
Max Chatnoir: Sure. I'll give you my Guide to the Island. Look for The Mating Game.
Marty Snowpaw: can I use voice
Marty Snowpaw: technology is the enabler
India Cerise: aww i have to run...I look forward to the next discussion
Bushido Contepomi: Technology is our creations to make living easier, and promotes longevety
Margaret Michalski: That is a tought question
India Cerise: technology is that #2
Dilan Socke: thanks
Marty Snowpaw: yes but here it is a media platform
Fli Nurmi: technology is a tool - depends on what we need to use it for, but it's only a tool- we make it work
Chimera Cosmos: I need to go too -- bye all
Marty Snowpaw: yes it is only a tool
Profdan Netizen: What is being discussed when technology comes up in conversations on your campus?
Max Chatnoir: Great conversation, everybody.
Zotarah Shepherd: One of the reasons appearance is important is that SL will seem less like a cartoon to students when they realize they can use it for personal expression of who they are.
Max Chatnoir: conversation.
AJ Brooks: email, blackboard, computers
Marty Snowpaw: tools
Bushido Contepomi: Everything is a media platform, back in the caveman days walls were handy for communicating to travellers
Dilan Socke: i think we may assess SL through assessment tools we use within SL!
AJ Brooks: @busido agree
Margaret Michalski: I would have to say anything that assists in completing any certain task.
Dilan Socke: Are there any?
Zotarah Shepherd: Good point Bushido
Margaret Michalski: Would you consider a caluculator to be technology?
Max Chatnoir: I must fly. And in SL, I CAN.
Marty Snowpaw: A fire and shaman 2000 years ago was a medium for telling stories
AJ Brooks: no - its transparet
Fli Nurmi: sure Margaret
AJ Brooks: really? a calculator?
Artichoke Ellison: by your efinition yes, Margaret
Zotarah Shepherd: Technology is just a matter of level
Margaret Michalski: Ok!
Margaret Michalski: I was just writing a literature on e-learning
Margaret Michalski: believe it or not once source claims e-learning goes back to 1920's
AJ Brooks: :-)
AJ Brooks: argh - non-virtual world calls
Profdan Netizen: Using what, Margaret?
AJ Brooks: folks - feel free to stay and chat
Profdan Netizen: Bye, AJ.
AJ Brooks: there is nothing on teh schedule here for the rest of the day
Marty Snowpaw: thanks aj great discussion
Zotarah Shepherd: Bye AJ
AJ Brooks: indeed - a great disussion
Fli Nurmi: thanks AJ
Margaret Michalski: someone created something that looks like a typewritier
Margaret Michalski: and it gives multiple choice questions
Margaret Michalski: very interesting
Margaret Michalski: and surprizing
Marty Snowpaw: bye all
Zotarah Shepherd: An abbacas is one level of technology
Fli Nurmi: bye Marty
Profdan Netizen: Intriguing, Margaret. Did the device record results on paper?
Bushido Contepomi: The Binary code was derived from the book the I Ching Possitive and Negative
Bushido Contepomi: Which has resulted in the advance of our computers today
Margaret Michalski: I need to get going but I will email the transcript to Iggy
