There is a difference between the Muslim immigration into the EU and the Mexican immigration into the USA.  Although I am not a fan of the unchecked influx of millions of Mexican poor into the USA, it is very different from the Islamization of Europe.  Mexicans are short, brown and stupid (that is a euphemism for poorly educated).  They work under the radar screen of society.  They work for cheap, pay no taxes, and constitute an economic drain on our society.  The Mexicans are a threat to the QUALITY of our society, but not a threat to our society.  If the US were to pass this comprehensive immigration reform that was passed by the Senate (but which the House opposes) approximately 70 million poor stupid Mexicans will flood our nation.  That is bad.  Our schools will be shit.  Our hospitals will be shit.  Our taxes will be higher.  Our social services will be supporting the Mexican poor.  It will suck.  However, Mexicans are, for the most part, not bad people.  They are short, brown and stupid (that is again a euphemism for poorly educated), but also hard working, honest, catholic, family oriented, mother and father obeying people.  They are coming here to take advantage of our society -- not to destroy it.  They realize that if they destroyed our society, there would be no one to give them free stuff.

The Muslims on the other hand are a whole different kettle of beans.  Muslims (if they are true Muslims) are a primitive people who have not advance morally since the middle ages.  They are truly a medieval people.  We cannot relate to their way of thought, and they cannot comprehend anything of Classical Liberalism.  Islam means submit, and Muslim means one who has submitted.  An individual's rights are irrelevant.  All that matters is submission to the will of Alla (or should I say what the local Imam says is the will of Alla).  If you think I am being overly harsh, do your own research.  Browse this web site.  You tell me it you think these people are in any way compatible with Classical Liberalism and Western Civilization:

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ln=eng

This one is my favorite -- Is it wrong for a guy to stick a dildo up his ass?

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=60200&ln=eng

Humor aside, reviewing this mainstream Muslim Dear Abby, you can see these people are fundamentally different from us.  They, for the most part, come to Europe despising Europe and everything it stands for.  They come reluctantly out of economic necessity and have a religious duty not to assimilate, get what they need and return to Islamic lands.  Of course conquest and jihad is always a legitimate reason to be in the land of war (EU).

I know that what I say here is not particularly politically correct, but it is TRUE, and I would defy any devoted Muslim to correct what I say here.

Islam has ALWAYS been a threat to the West.  Islam is an expansionist religion that seeks to conquer the world and impose sharia on all mankind.  Islam started in a cave outside Medina and has expanded from there through conquest -- not voluntary conversion (for the most part).  Jerusalem was Jewish and Christian long before it was conquered by the Muslims.  As I mentioned before, Muslims tried to conquer Vienna twice, actually conquered Spain, and would have conquered France if it had not been for Charles the Hammer at Tours.  Islam has always been a threat -- the question is not when did it become a threat, but how much of a threat has it been at any given time.  Since the blossoming of Classical Liberalism, Western Civilization has made incredible advances in technology and economics.  The Power of the West was so great that the Muslim nations seemed backwards and even silly.  But good things always come to an end.  Vast oil reserves were discovered in Muslim lands, their populations exploded, and the ease of communication and travel made that part of the word not so distant.  Add to that maniacal and tyrannical Muslim leaders, the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, and a pussified, self-loathing European population and you have a recipe for disaster.

Muslims would not necessary need an army to conquer Europe.  Imagine Turkey joins the EU.  Imagine in 20 years the EU Muslim population continues to grow in size and power.  .  Imagine the EU passes a law that makes it a crime to offend the religious sensibilities of Muslims (there are already similar laws on the books).  Imagine some wacky legislature in Brussels passes a law that permits all Muslims in the EU to live under sharia law (not as outlandish as it sounds).  Kiss Western Civilization goodbye.  It is already gone...  The EU cannot hope to tolerate those that our intolerant and survive.  Its like having an infection without white blood cells -- the patient is going to die.

I used to support Palestinian rights vis a vis Israel.  I understand that the Jews rights to the land were "stale", some of the Arabs had been there for generations, etc.  If it were any other people, I would support them -- but the Arabs are not normal human beings (from our point of view), and their existence is not compatible with Western civilization.  We would be fools to apply our Classical Liberalism morals in defense of these people, who just see those morals as an inherent weakness in our society to be exploited.  So, now I support Israel -- not because I feel guilty for the Holocaust or because I think a Jewish state is a good thing. I don't even think Israel is morally right.  But I support Israel, because Israel destabilizes the Arab world (which is a good thing for Western Civilization) and acts as a magnet for much of the Arab world's fanaticism.  I say, "let the nut jobs obsess about Israel."  "Let them waste all their resurgent energy in the Middle East."  "Better there than here."  "The best defense is a good offense."

Thank our Christian Lord that some rouge element of the US government engineered 9/11 to save Western Civilization from creeping Islamization.




On Jun 15, 2006, at 12:59 AM, xxxx wrote:
Tom,
 
You are quite right about the encroachment of Muslims into EU countries.  At this time, Turkey is on the doorstep of entering the EU, and there is a fear that allowing them to enter will further this encroachment.  While Huey was here, I showed him the advertising in the newspaper of one political party's anti-Turkey stance, because it was so offensive - if you are Turkish... 
 
Currently in the U.S., however, isn't there a nation-wide debate on granting illegal (mainly hispanic) immigrants their "rights"?  This is occurring on your own soil, across your own borders, and the illegals are so "non-conforming" - they even have your national anthem in Spanish now.  How many public places have signs and instructions in both English and Espanol?  How many schools already exist in America where Spanish is spoken first? 
 
I agree with your "duality" argument.  In your own words, you wrote the following paragraph.  Before reading it, plug in the term "Hispanic" for "Muslim", then plug in the term "America" for "Europe":
 
Unchecked immigration into Europe.  Failure to assimilate into Western culture.  Skyrocketing birthrates in European Muslin communities.  Declining birthrates among "white" Europeans.  Slowly changing make-up of European society.  Self-loathing "white" Europeans wracked with guilt over prior generations of imperialism, militarism, and exploitation have left them unable or unwilling to defend their own institutions.
 
How is that for duality?
 
Tom's mantra:  "Fundamental Islam is a threat to Western civilization"
 
I agree, but how big of a threat?  Do all Hispanics immigrating to America want to take over the U.S.?  Do all Muslims immigrating to Europe want to "destroy Western civilization"???
 
That's absurd, Tom. 
 
In your eyes, every Non-christian, or follower of Islam, wants to destroy Western civilization?  Absurd.  If anything, the vast majority of Muslims are becoming "westernized", which only serves to INFURIATE the extremist, or RADICAL Muslims, whose numbers are but a small percentage in their ranks.
 
QUESTIONS FOR YOU:
 
1.  When did Islam become a threat to the West?
2.  Why did Islam become a threat to the West?
 
The most common term the "terrorists" or anti-American Muslims use for U.S. soldiers is "Infidel".
 
INFIDEL - as defined in Webster's: 
 
1    : one who is not a Christian or who opposes Christianity        (ironic, huh?)
2 a : an unbeliever with respect to a particular religion
b    : one who acknowledges no religious belief
3    : a disbeliever in something specified or understood
Did the Nation of Islam wake up one day and just decide Americans were infidels?
 
No.  Prior to the creation of Israel as a state  (armed, defended and funded by the U.S. government)  can you name one incident where..."Fundamental Islam is a threat to Western civilization"?
 
No.  America stuck it's head far up Israel's ass and this has always pissed of Fundamental Islamists - because the U.S. has been "ENCROACHING"  on THEIR turf.  And they still are.  One tiny little country on the other side of the planet has created Fundamental Islam is a threat to Western civilization.
 
Meanwhile, Communist Cuba sits 90 miles away from U.S. soil.  More "duality"???
 
You actually wrote this:
 
Since 9/11, the world has awoken to the threat of Islam.  It is no longer a creeping threat.  We (this includes all of Europe) have collectively stood up to fight off this impending doom.
 
Ummmm.....wouldn't they need something like, I think it's called an....ARMY to destroy Western Civilization?  Where is it?  Impending doom?  Where?  Why do you insist on believing in the boogie man? 
 
 
As a result of 9/11, the West has arisen in defense of classical liberalism and is even making an effort to spread those institution into the heart of the Middle East.  If this essential revival of Western Civilization and the institutions of classical liberalism was made possible because those buildings were allowed to fall, then the Social Welfare-ist in me says. "PULL IT!"  
 
Well, at least you finally admit the U.S. "pulled it" -  9/11 - off.
 
DR