Wed - April 2, 2008Making Plansgoals, music, and practicality
I am making
plans.
I have no idea how practical the goal is. I have a feeling that the plans are a rationalization of a decidedly impractical goal, a thin veneer of polished mahogany glued to cardboard box. I mean I'm 43. How practical can the goal of becoming professional singer-songwriter be? Nevertheless, I am making plans. My goal is to skip the local scene and jump straight to regional touring. The first hurdle to cross in this steeple chase was deciding if I could still write a song. It has been years, and my last song was not something I would like to perform. So I sat down with a guitar and thought. I drove and I thought. I walked and I thought. I looked for inspiration and I let my mind wander on the page. I came up with a story song about a farmer who has moved to California at the end of the Gold Rush when gold mining was taken over by companies that could raise enough cash to divert and dam streams in an effort to use the pressure of that water to blast away entire hillsides. I discovered conflict in the interaction between valley farmers, who suffered through terrible flooding as a result of the miners efforts. The result was a song called "Sixty Eight Miles". [I'll post it to my download site as soon as I have a decent recording of it.] So OK, I can still write a song. Second hurdle is the creation of a professionally produced CD. For this I have to make a basic decision: include the use of copyrighted covers or stick with original material? I decided to stick with original material with one exception. I'll include a song that exists in the public domain, a folk song or an adaptation of a classical piece. Those of you more plugged into current popular culture and the trend consumers are showing to prefer downloads to CDs are asking me in your minds right now why I need to create a CD. A CD is a collection songs chosen by the artist rather than the listener on a medium the delivery for which the consumer will have to wait. Downloads happen more or less right now and the listener can pick which ones they want. I'm asking that too, obviously. The answer I think relies less on my prospective listeners than it does on the gate keepers between me and my listeners. People who host house concerts, run clubs, coffeehouses, and theaters who have never heard of me will want tangible evidence of not just my talent but my commitment to the business. A CD fills that purpose perfectly even the entire contents can be downloaded from any one (or all!) of dozens of services attempting to compete with iTunes. So here's the song list for my first CD: "Winter's Night" "China Doll" "Conscience" "Say Goodbye" "Bridge" "Careless" "I Had No Choice" "I Remember" "Leave a Penny" "Wounded Knee" "Sixty Eight Miles" "The Water is Wide"* They're in no particular order, I'll determine that later. The asterisk denotes the one public domain song I'll record. Some of these songs are already up in demo form on my upload site. Have a listen . The CD is a huge hurdle with lots of preparation and steps to take before it's finished. But after that I'll need to create a business based on my musical ability and its products. This is where I'll have the most trouble. I'm a crappy businessman, so I'll likely need help in this area. But I'll cross that bridge when I get there. Best, Daniel Posted at 11:35 AM Tue - December 25, 2007Merry Christmas!and a Happy New Year
Good morning
everyone!
Thanks for checking in. I just wanted to write a quick note to say: Merry Christmas! Love, Daniel Posted at 08:34 AM Sat - November 10, 2007Revisiting Old MaterialGetting back to my youth?
The national political situation has, since the
2000 election, been a source of anger and frustration for me. I needn't provide
you with details, you can read those in other posts. The feeling is the point
here.
I've been staying in folk, traditional, and Bluegrass music for the past decade or more and have enjoyed it immensely. I still do! Bluegrass in particular has helped me develop my instrumental skills, and at 42, I can now play things on the guitar that I never really had much hope of playing before. I've also picked up mandolin, and developed some decent folk & Bluegrass chops. Recently I've been gigging as a side man for a friend and singer-songwriter in San Francisco, and decided I'd like to get back into doing my own stuff again. So I've been revisiting old material. Out of all of the old songs I used to perform, the heavier rock feels best right now, particularly Neil Young's "Rockin' in the Free World." Damn that's a powerful song, and it fits exactly the way I feel about Bush 43. I get to pound and growl and yell. It works particularly well on an acoustic guitar, believe it or not. There's some more physical about an acoustic guitar. Electrics may sound more powerful, but that's just electricity. To get a powerful sound out of an acoustic guitar you have to beat it, and that makes the whole process of venting anger and frustration more authentic, less of a show. So the exploration of old material has been very cathartic. I'm digging it. Coming to a coffeehouse near you. ;-) Daniel Posted at 04:47 PM Fri - October 19, 2007Protect Your Civil LibertiesConcern over the erosion of the protection of
rights, both enumerated and tacit in the Constitution, is bipartisan. People on
both sides of the American political spectrum are waging campaigns to stop the
erosion of the protection of rights and restore protections that have been
circumvented or removed.
They are both also working toward a restoration
of the balance of power in American government by actively seeking to support
efforts to curtail the assumption of power by the executive branch (the office
of the President).
From the Republican Party: http://www.americanfreedomagenda.org/ From the Democratic Party: http://www.americanfreedomcampaign.org/ This is fundamentally important stuff. The Defense dept, the State dept, the FBI, and the CIA (among many others) have the power to conduct surveillance, detain without grounds, and use enhanced interrogation techniques on people in the United States without oversight from either Congress or the courts. This means none of us is actually safe from our own government because members of the executive branch have the ability to simply label individuals as "unlawful enemy combatants" in order to justify the violation of individual civil liberties. The oath of office in all Constitutionally created offices states, "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States of America from all invaders, foreign or domestic." It does not mention protecting the American people. Why not? Because the ideals contained in the Constitution are more important than the people they serve. Countless soldiers in every war the United States has engaged have died for those ideals. Our Constitutional ideals are both our greatest weapon against terrorism and what separate us from dictators, fascists, communists, and terrorists. That the executive branch violates that oath in the name of protecting the people makes the violation of civil liberties that much worse. The effort to protect us, the American people, by using these tactics of surveillance, detention, and enhanced interrogation (code for torture) is in reality counter productive in a "war on terror." These tactics create a timid and frightened populace who does not believe in its own government; they belie the very foundation of our nation, and they serve terrorist ends by allowing them to point out the inherent hypocrisy evident in gulf between our national ideals and our government's actions. Have a look at one of the web sites listed above. Write your Conressional representatives through their websites (http://www.house.gov and http://www.senate.gov/). Pay attention, and if possible, get active. Daniel Posted at 02:10 PM Tue - August 14, 2007Mitt RomneyJust asking: Does anyone else think Mitt "my sons
serve their country by helping their dad become President" Romney is an empty
suit? The guy oozes as much intellect as George W. Bush did 8 long years ago
when people began asking themselves, "Is this guy smart enough to be
President?"
The guy oozes as much intellect as George W. Bush
did 8 long years ago when people began asking themselves, "Is this guy smart
enough to be President?"
The considered response to that extremely salient (and prescient) question was usually some comment about how Bush as president would surround himself with experts. The experts turned out to be geniuses like FEMA Director Brown, Harriet "Sure I'll be your patsy on the Supreme Court" Meiers, Paul "The Iraq War will pay for itself" Wolfowitz, Dick "Last throes" Cheney, Don "We'll be greeted with flowers" Rumsfeld, and Al "the Constitution does not guarantee Habeas Corpus" Gonzales. So who will Mitt surround himself with? More GOP retreads and hangers on from the Reagan era? Larger question: In a corporate capitalist society, does the "marketplace of ideas" yield anything besides mediocre intellects with lots of money and a tenuous connection to the principals enshrined in the Constitution? Daniel Posted at 09:17 PM Sat - August 11, 2007Staring out with a GPS unitTreasure hunting
An internet connection gets you to geocaching.com .
One hundred dollars gets you a low-end (which is all you really need) Global Positioning Satellite reader. And you're off looking for hidden treasure in your neighborhood and around the world. Boxes of toys, a log, and maybe a hitchhiking artifact or two hidden in the underbrush, hanging in a tree, or hiding under rocks become addicting pleasures. But not for what they carry, for what they represent: your ability to find something hidden. After finding them gets to be a normal habit, you can move up to placing them. ot only can you place them, but you devise devilishly tricky caches that don't include boxes or logs, but are based on some esoteric puzzle the finder has to solve to your satisfaction before they can claim to have found the cache! Then, later, when you're looking for a new challenge or something different to do with your GPS unit you can get into • Waymarking • Earthcaching • Letterboxing • Benchmarking • Confluence photographing • or 15,995 other things to do with a GPS unit Oh so much to do. And the really cool thing is that the computer is getting you up and off your butt! Daniel Posted at 05:48 PM Thu - July 19, 2007Philadelphia in Early JulyAhh, the city of brotherly and sisterly
love.
It was in fine fettle Saturday and Sunday, July 7 and 8, 2007. Saturday afternoon we (wife, mom-in-law, &
myself) took an open top double decker bus tour around the city. These are
things that look REALLY lame from the ground, but seem to be pretty cool once
you give up caring about looking lame. It gave us a decent feeling for getting
around in the city (one way streets, parking, museum locations, etc.) and it
showed off a couple of very nice sections of the city, like the historic
district and Society Hill.
We also checked out the Independence Hall Visitor Center, which had been installed since I was there last to the see Independence Hall in January 1977. Didn't get in to Independence Hall that day, but I did figure out how to get tickets for Sunday. So Sunday Started early with a 6 block walk from our hotel to the afore mentioned visitor center for 5 tickets to Independence hall for later that afternoon. (My mom & step father joined us.) From there we went directly to the Franklin Institute where we met my mom & step-dad and viewed burial items from Tutankhamun's tomb (and from his contemporaries'). Tut was magnificent. The Pharoahs and their priests really knew how to impress with the jewelery. I enjoyed the presentation of the artifacts, and developed a better understanding of the imagery that was important to the ancient Egyptian pharoah's ability to maintain power. After Tut we climbed into one car and motored across town to Independence Hall, where attended a public reading of the Declaration of Independence and a couple of brief speeches by actors portraying T. Jefferson and J. Adams. The reading of the D of I was moving for me. A couple of passages wherein the delegates to the Continental Congress detail their grievances against Geo. III hit pretty close to home for me. For example: "He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. "For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury. "For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offenses. "He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat [sic] the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation." I looked over at my wife and said, "You can almost wonder which 'George' they're referring to. This whole thing seems subversive right now." The Jefferson actor pulled a couple of quotes from Franklin, including the one about people who prefer a little security to freedom deserving neither freedom nor security. The Adams actor followed suit with material about the necessity of an educated and informed population that keeps tabs on its government and shows its displeasure. Both of which heightened my sense that we --the hundreds of us present-- were participating in a subversive act. After that, lunch and a discussion of the how the reading informed our interpretations of the meaning od the D of I. For me, I realized that the listing of the grievances was perhaps the most important part of the D of I to the average citizen who supported independence. The high falutin' language of the preamble is most important to us here in the 21st century because it literally informed the creation of our form of government 11 years later, but it was not the immediate issue. After lunch, we strolled back to Independence Hall for the ranger-led tour. It was a good tour. The ranger was knowledgeable, but I knew as much as he did (Americqn History between about 1680 and 1820 is my specialty and I have an MA in History from Sonoma State University), so I wandered around the inside of beautiful building during the tour. Actually the ranger did get one small fact wrong. He said that Washington attended the 1775 Continental Congress as a delegate of Virginia in a British officer's uniform. In fact, Washington was never a British officer, and so would not have worn such a uniform. He served as colonel in the Virginia militia during the French and Indian War, and ran a frontier unit for the colony of Virginia afterward. Indeed Washington created his own uniform for the latter post which he wore to meetings of the Congress in Philadelphia before he was elected Commander in Chief of the Continental Army. The interior was Spartan for important buildings of the era, but fitting for a Quaker dominated colony. No gold leaf, few elaborate carvings, muted paint colors, etc. Mostly the interior consisted of painted wood paneling, Indian head faces above the inside of the front door and the outside of the door to the assembly room, bare wood floors of broadly milled oak, a banister to the upstairs banquet hall in American walnut that had been stripped to the bare wood. I suspect it was originally finished in a reddish stain to simulate mahogany, but that is just a guess. The banister could just as easily have been painted black. The very chair that John Hancock used as president of the Continental Congress and George Washington had used 11 years later as president of the Constitutional Congress sat in the back of the assembly room as mute testimony to the importance of remembering that we are all participants in the American Experiment. The desks used by members of the Continental Congress including Franklin, Jefferson, and Adams were small and used by 3 to 4 delegates from each of the new states. They were covered with green cloths and books that the delegates might have read. The occasional walking stick or cane rested on a table or chair. My hands ached to touch these things. I wanted to feel what Roger Sherman, Robert Livingston, or Gouvenor Morris might have felt. I wanted to transport myself into their reality, to feel their trepidation at challenging the world's greatest known military power to subdue their cause and putting their lives and fortunes on the line for a cause that was more likely to fail than to succeed. These men made decisions that thousands would die to make reality. This speaks volumes about the power of those ideas. But the longevity of those ideas is just as impressive. I think Lincoln put it best, "...From these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." Posted at 12:34 PM Fri - May 4, 2007New(ish) blogSwitching focus to music
Well, it's true, my personal blog here has been
kind of quiet lately.
Truth is, President Bush is President in name only and he's going to have his impact on the nature of American Politics whether I like it or not. So I've decided to stop frustrating myself by writing about how bad a president he is. We have less than 2 years left in his occupation of the Oval Office, and he is so mired down in Iraq that the risk of having his administration take military action anywhere else are slim and none. Keep an eye on your civil rights. Enjoy your life. I'm taking my own advice now. So I have been and will be writing about music and being a musician for a while. The previous 17 posts are taken verbatim from my blog on Acoustic Friends. I'm posting them here because the web site is a (free) subscription service and lots of you may not be interested in signing up. Best, Daniel Posted at 10:36 AM Musical SinsBy: Daniel Date: Apr 11, 2007 - 01:46
PM
Ok so I've been "on the wagon" of acoustic music
since I was nine years old and heard my mom's Cat Stevens record. I went
through that rebellious phase as a teen and put Kiss posters up in my bedroom,
bought an electric guitar and started rockin'. Then, after a while I gravitated
back to my roots. I got serious about acoustic music, dropped all attachment to
electricity, picked up the mandolin, learned to love Bluegrass, and finally got
myself a great mandolin.
Sometime between rockin' out and dropping my attachment to electricity I met my wife, a rocker chick from the 80s. She has not been able to follow me down the traditional music path and has avoided like the plague festivals, jams, and parties that include traditional music. So six weeks after acquiring my amazing Vessel mandolin, my wife went and ordered me a Stratocaster. But not just any Strat, an Eric Johnson signature Strat with a 2 tone sunburst and a quarter sawn one-piece maple neck. Oh man. I'm electric again, and this is nicest electric guitar I have ever owned. Talk about your existential directional conflicts. I have just now been playing my strat through a 15 year old Ampeg amp that I never managed to get rid of. The amp only pushes out 20watts of power, but plugged in and turned up to 3, it is so powerful I cannot hear myself singing! I forgot how cathartic and visceral such volume can be. I was having a crappy day until I cranked it up and threw my fingers around the fretboard on a funky blues riff in A. Man that's fun! I'm not giving up tradional music, but I am making room for a little extra volume in my life. And my wife is tickled pink. Daniel Posted at 10:29 AM Recording and PodcastingBy: Daniel Date: Apr 6, 2007 - 04:15
PM
I suppose being the Director of Technology for a
county office of education in California as well as being a musician forces me
to bear some responsibility for exploring the technological aspects of playing
music. This is, of course, all in the service of exploring the curricular use
of the technology rather than simply having fun. But it was
fun.
I've created my own podcast using the GCast web site, and I've sent to link to Apple's iTunes store. You can find it there too under "dnestlerode" in the education category. The first entry is the song I wrote for my grandfather n the occassion of his death, mentioned in my previous entry. The levels are low (sorry, still elarning the hardware/software limitations), so you'll need to boost the volume on your computer. Enjoy! Daniel Posted at 10:28 AM Playing a funeralBy: Daniel Date: Mar 12, 2007 - 11:40
AM
My grandfather died in 1986, and being a
"sensitive singer-songwriter" in my 20s at the time, I wrote about it. The song
is called "I Remember, " and it is a walk through my feelings of losing my
grandfather. I got to play it at his funeral. Interesting
situation.
Playing my grandfather's funeral was as strange a "gig" as I've ever had. Several things attempted to distract me from gettig through the song in a semi-professional manner. 1) Grandpa was the first person in my experience of my extended family to die, so I was in a little shock and quite sad about it. 2) As I mentioned, the guitar was out of tune, so the practiced, professional side me was trying to figure out how to get in tune without ruining the flow of the song. Failing that, I was trying not to be bothered by it. It was a mosquito in my ear for the seeming eternity of the 4 minutes I was singing and playing. 3) Crying in the audience was out of my general experience of performing. They were glad and moved by my song, but they were not happy to hear it. Depressing people seems counterintuitive to a musician. 4) I was standing in front of the open casket of the first dead person I had ever seen. Talk about distracting! I was sad and had the heebie jeebies at the same time. It's a wonder I made it through the tune at all. I played "I Remember" a lot over the next couple of days. My uncle wrote me a check for $100.00 by way of saying, "Thank you." My dad still requests it when I visit. I met my wife a few years later, and months into our relationship her grandfather died. Her family asked me to sing "I Remember" at his funeral, and I readily obliged. (I had some experience singing in front of dead people now.) It was still a little weird. I don't know if it will ever be anything but weird. What I do know is that even in moments of pain, music allows some transcendency. Like getting all the way through a very long dark tunnel, experiencing music in mourning allows you to go deep into your feelings and come out the other side with a different perspective. It also gives you some other idea or action to focus on, allowing you to remember that life continues despite the loss of a loved one. Daniel Posted at 10:27 AM Wedding GigBy: Daniel Date: Mar 5, 2007 - 03:31
PM
Well, it wasn't so much a gig as heartfelt
participation in the wedding of two good friends.
Last weekend, March 3, 2007, I attended my friends' wedding [yes that's plural both the bride and groom are my friends] at a spot in the nearly wild unincorporated portions of Tuolumne County CA at an elevation of 4000ft above sea level. Two feet of snow covered the ground from a storm that blew through on the previous Tuesday and Wednesday, and even though the temperatures were in the low 50's(f) during the day, sturdy shoes were required equipment for simply walking. Musical Equipment: · Epiphone Mandobird o Digital Stereo Chorus/Flanger o 2 cables o 1 6 watt amp · Alvarez-Yairi 12 string guitar · Vessel blackface F5 mandolin Friday: Arrived for dinner at 8pm Jam started directly after and lasted until 11pm, when everyone faded out. (It was a long drive to get there. Mandobird was rendered unusable when my little practice amp died 4 songs into the jam. Saturday Ceremony: Lounged around the cabin for most of the morning. Had coffee with the wedding party just before lunch. Dressed and grabbed the mandolin for the ceremony that afternoon. Played for the gathered group prior to the ceremony. Played 3 songs with the bride and groom during the ceremony (and a beautiful one it was!) Saturday Reception: After dinner, the reception was a huge jam. Almost half of the people in attendance play one or more instruments and we went around the room calling tunes and singing songs. A portion of the jam was the performance of a love song chosen by each musician for the occasion. This ran from roughly 6pm to roughly midnight when we all finally caved in to fatigue, overeating, and drinking (wine, beer, port, spirits, etc) Impressions: It felt wonderful to contribute to the wedding ceremony in a meaningful way. The groom’s voice failed him for the last song, so I helped out by singing behind him just enough to carry the lyrics to the back of the room. Was given an immense compliment by a couple whom I had not previously met. They said (of the Friday night jam) that it appeared to them that I was brought in to make everyone else sound more professional! That was a deeply “aw, shucks” kind of moment. By Saturday night my hands felt supple and my fingers quick. I was throwing licks off the mandolin that I hadn’t attempted before. My mind must have been in good form too because I was able to take advantage of blues scales in the moments where they were appropriate and the key of G minor was no sweat! My mandolin got lots of compliments too. The importance of music? Emotional communication, relaxation, and comraderie. What is a celebration without music? Daniel Posted at 10:27 AM New Mandolin Changes My PlayingBy: Daniel Date: Mar 2, 2007 - 03:12
PM
Before (and shortly after) I received my new
mandolin I was largely splitting time between it and guitar. Naturally, the
"honeymoon" hasn't yet worn off around the house and I'm hardly playing guitar
there. But the same thing is happening at the jams I
attend.
I actually took both my GAS killing SCGC 42BGD and my new mando to a jam on Wednesday night and never touched the guitar! It just stood there in its stand looking lonely. Is this the final step in the transition from guitar player to mandolin player? Beats me. Stay tuned. Daniel Posted at 10:26 AM New MandolinBy: Daniel Date: Feb 17, 2007 - 04:31
PM
Receiving and playing the mandolin the Gary
Vessel made for me 2 weeks ago [check out the mandolin group on this site for
pictures] was the highlight of the second half of last year. Odd thing to say,
I know. But I put in extra time as an adjunct instructor from September to
December and my day job has been murder this school year. In fact, I intended
to write this blog about how music keeps me sane, but since September the
insanity has usually overpowered the healing influence of
music.
Not so since Supergrass (Feb 1-4, 2007). First, SuperGrass itself was pretty wonderful. I got out of town, and spent 3 days enjoying and playing music with a large group of like-minded people. Work stayed at work. Second, one of my first actions at SuperGrass was to claim my new mandolin from Gary. My friend, Kenny, and I ran into Gary as we checked in, so I knew the mandolin was nearby. Kenny and I went and listened to Roger Siminoff lead Dave Harvie, Lynn Dudenbostel, Mike Kemnitzer, John Monteleone, and Steve Gilchrist in a discussion of mandolin construction as it relates to the output of Gibson durng the brief, but important, Lloyd Loar era. After about 30 minutes I lost the ability to concentrate in anticipation and went off to find Gary and my new mandolin. I tried to be objective at first sight. I looked for the binding I requested: check. Top color & back color: check. Headstock inlay: check. Finish: check. I tried a few experimental riffs: ooooohhhhh, this is what it means to play a real, responsive mandolin. CHECK! I played some chop chords, the chop was already there! I was expecting to have to play it in to get that sound. My fingers missed a bit for the first couple of hours as I got used to the feel and spacing on the neck & fretboard, but pretty soon I was moving around easily. It has a rich clean sound without any harshness to it whatsoever. This is exactly what I was hoping for. Gary was a little nervous at the handoff, he is used to having folks buy what he's already made rather than taking custom orders. But he need not have worried. His work is stellar, and I love my new mandolin. The old one, a Capek, hasn't really seen daylight since Febrary 1. After playing for about a half hour, I left the mandolin with Gary, as we had previously agreed (he was showing his wares and needed the inventory for his table). I went to brag on it to Kenny. I picked it up that evening and played it for a few hours in our hotel room that night. Third, I played a lot that weekend: On Friday the second, Kenny and I got into a jam in the marble floored, glass ceilinged lobby of the Holiday Inn and made a mighty sound from 4pm to 7pm. It was glorious. My fingers moved well, the mandolin sounded great, and it drew some attention from fellow jammers and passersby. This last occurence was especially good for Gary who received at least two orders over the weekend. Saturday brought our volunteer obligation, a brief concert for the younger kids at the festival. I got to play my new mandolin for a couple of tunes in that capacity. But later that evening, after dinner, I went hunting a jam. I treked through the hotel/convention center twice before deciding upon a small jam that lacked a mandolin in the hallway between the restaurant and the registration table. There I met Linda and Ron, a guitar, dobro duo from the South Bay area (SF) who were kind and accepting. The three of us played together with other folks coming and going from 9:30pm to about 1am. Sunday morning arrived and I left Bakersfield happier than I have been in quite a while. Daniel Posted at 10:25 AM Have you ever.....?By: Daniel Date: Jan 14, 2007 - 11:23
AM
Have you
ever...
...played a single open note and really listened to it as it decayed? ...played the same song or tune on every instrument you own and in the same key? ...recorded yourself and listened to it through headphones? ...used a mirror and a flashlight to look at the inside of your instrument(s)? ...sung a open string note (EADGBE on a guitar) into a soundhole to see if you could get the strings to vibrate simpathetically? ...put your ear on the back of your instrument as you strummed a chord? ...strummed the same notes/chord while changing your right hand's location relative to the bridge? My new mandolin proceeds a pace and will be ready for SuperGrass on Feb 1. Pictures here . Posted at 10:24 AM |
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