The No-Trial, No-Defence, No-Fly List
Some of the No-Fly list's mix-ups are just stupidly funny, but even when the list is used as it was meant to be, and possibly particularly when it is, it shows just how far we've allowed fear to eat away at our society's foundations.
The family of a Montreal man stranded in Sudan for five years because Canada's spy agency suspects he's a security threat denied that he's a terrorist as they made a public plea to the government Tuesday to help bring him home.
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Abdelrazik, who was detained by Sudanese authorities while visiting his mother in 2003, has since been released from jail and has taken refuge in the Canadian Embassy in Khartoum. Abdelrazik, who is a dual citizen of Canada and Sudan, hasn't been charged with any crime in either country.
A look through the comments shows both the good and bad sides of Canadians. A few choice bits from the latter:
No way.
This guy makes me uneasy and sorry.but when we throw in the fact that they are muslims,I get nervous.
I have read a lot on that subject, and again sorry,but they hate us and our religions!
We are nothing more than dogs,even though they deny that little fact.
So why would we believe this guy?
I will trust the governments judgement on this one.
Dual citizenship is being used as tool to bop back and forth from one country to another and for what reasons?
Some explaining to do, and that doesn't seem to be happening.
How do these people afford to do that?
Where does the money come from?
Who is supporting the family?
He is out of Canada and I will assume the governments reasons are enough to keep him out.
(I'll wait for the breaking news when an Air Canada flight gets blown out of the sky...then you gutless whiners can complain about the horrible job CSIS is doing in the investigation).
He better not be on a flight with my family.
There is a reason why this man has been brought to Canada's security list. It doesn't matter what colour or race a person is. If Canada sees them as a threat, I think it's our right to refuse them entry. We have to keep our country safe and sound or Canada will end up like all the other unstable countries. If he was white, born in Canada and lived here all his life and he comes to the attention of our Country as a risk, DON'T LET HIM BACK IN.
Dont be getting all out of shape over my comment because it has nothing to do with race. I want to know my country is very serious about keeping us safe. Innocent or guilty? Why would someone's name keep popping up as a security threat if they are like you and me, a law abiding citizen!!
Also, I dont really feel any sympathy for someone who has suspected connections to Al Qaeda going back to Sudan (post 9/11) to "see his mother" and getting stranded there. If I were a muslim and in Canada with my family I wouldn't hop on a plane to go to visit Iran to "see my brother". It seems a bit suspicous even without CSIS weighing in on the manner and having the guy arrested.
Overall, times have changed. Accept it. Being able to fly on an airplane is not a human right.[ATTENTION ALL MUSLIMS! TRAVELING TO A MUSLIM COUNTRY TO VISIT FAMILY IS SUSPICIOUS! STAY HOME IF YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU! - ed]
And one of my personal favourites
Another item that concerns me is the way some posters automatically assume that if you are not supporting his return to Canada that you are a racist, or islamophobic, or whatever. I believe that our government has a reason for acting and responding in the way they are. I do not believe, for even a second, that somehow there is something sinister behind this. There are some things that are just non of our business at this time. I trust our government officials to do whatever is in their power to make things happen legally and diplomatically, but I do not except them to jump through hoops because some lawyer is spouting off.
Yeah, can't imagine why people might think you have some racist or Islamophobic tendencies. As a general rule, if someone starts a sentence saying, "I don't mean this in a racist/Islamophobic way . . .", they're about to say something that falls under both categories.
There's a fair number of comments with the, “I trust our government’s reasons are sufficient”, meme. It always strikes me, coming as I do from a very conservative upbringing, that the same people who say the government can’t be trusted to do anything right, that all government workers are lazy, shiftless, and incompetent, and that any service the government provides can be done far better by the private sector, are always suddenly willing to bestow an almost religious infallibility on the very same government when it comes to matters of security and depriving (other) people of their rights.
"Trust, but Verify". If you don't have controls in place to ensure that people aren't abusing the trust you've put in them, people will ultimately start abusing that trust. And you can bet that's even more the case when the people in question are hardly models of trustworthiness to begin with.
Or how about this little gem?
If this is the same person and he cannot unequivocally dipute otherwise , I am positive I do want him living in Canada.
Because if he can’t prove that he isn’t the guy with the associations and activities some people on the internet claim he is and has, then we’re fully justified in leaving him stranded in Sudan. On a related note, the fact that Iraq couldn’t prove that they didn’t have their non-existent WMD’s is full justification for the invasion and subsequent five-year occupation.
I don’t know why Abousfian Abdelrazik is on the no-fly list and neither do any of the idiots I’ve quoted above. I do know that the government has vastly over-hyped the threat posed by other individuals in the past just to keep the pants-peeing crowd willing to continue to give them the benefit of the doubt in order that they feel a teensy bit safer in their fall-out shelters. I’d note that despite being cleared of all charges, given $10 million, and a full apology from the Canadian government, Maher Arar remains on no-fly lists in the US. Innocence, it seems, is no defence against this sort of discrimination.
If he has done something wrong, arrest him, charge him, put him on trial. Do Something! But follow the rule of law. If he hasn’t done anything beyond make people nervous, let him come back home. Hell, if there is really some reason to be suspicious of him, you shouldn't have any problem keeping an eye on him. I just don’t want to live in a country where all it takes to deprive someone of their rights is somebody pointing the finger of suspicion.
